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Albinoni
October 25th, 2006, 11:40 PM
Which AV has had the least false positives, being both free or paid.
ashishtx
October 25th, 2006, 11:46 PM
I know the av which has least false positives and most people don't like it ---------Norton.
JerryM
October 25th, 2006, 11:49 PM
I don't have a clue, and wonder where such information is gleaned.
Maybe such test organizations such as AV Comparatives has such data. I think that is a factor in the Proactive tests.
Jerry
dah145
October 25th, 2006, 11:53 PM
KAV doesnt give so many FPs. :)
Perman
October 26th, 2006, 12:07 AM
Hi,folks: good question. I would equate the quality of AV to the optimal balance of these two: rate of virus detection and frequency of F.P. AV w/ the least F.P. may not be effective at all, but by the same token, no risk no gain, AV w/ aggresive approach tends to produce more F.P. So what you say?:isay:
Albinoni
October 26th, 2006, 12:17 AM
{QUOTE-> I know the av which has least false positives and most people don't like it ---------Norton. <-QUOTE}
Well to answer your Q here, I always thought that NOD32 had the least false positives and even less than KAV.
n8chavez
October 26th, 2006, 01:08 AM
{QUOTE-> Well to answer your Q here, I always thought that NOD32 had the least false positives and even less than KAV. <-QUOTE}
I would have to disagree with that statement. Of course, I have no actual proof but it seem that the very nature of NOD32 versus KAV; heuristic versus signatures, would allow KAV to have fewer FPs. The more frequently signatures are updated the more frequently mistakes can be corrected. NOD on the other hand does not update it's engine as often as KAV does it's signatures and thus has fewer opportunities for correction. Of course this is just speculation.
Nate
ashishtx
October 26th, 2006, 01:14 AM
Check the av comparatives for may 2006 and one will find that norton was the only av not to have any false positives. http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse_2006_05.php
Marcos
October 26th, 2006, 01:22 AM
{QUOTE-> I would have to disagree with that statement. Of course, I have no actual proof but it seem that the very nature of NOD32 versus KAV; heuristic versus signatures, would allow KAV to have fewer FPs. The more frequently signatures are updated the more frequently mistakes can be corrected. NOD on the other hand does not update it's engine as often as KAV does it's signatures and thus has fewer opportunities for correction. Of course this is just speculation.
Nate <-QUOTE}
Quite the contrary, ThreatSense enables NOD32 to minimize the number of false positives. In most cases it's that tools for remote administration are flagged as NewHeur_PE by advanced heuristics, but actually I wouldn't call it a false positive as these tools are detected as Potentially dangerous applications due to the fact that they can be exploited for malicious purposes. Based on my observation I'd say that on average we receive one such file per week.
n8chavez
October 26th, 2006, 01:28 AM
Well there you go. If worse comes to worse ask the people that actually know what the hell they're talking about. Because I apparentlly don't.
C.S.J
October 26th, 2006, 08:56 AM
{QUOTE-> I know the av which has least false positives and most people don't like it ---------Norton. <-QUOTE}
i agree with this person :)
norton has the least false positives in my opinion, but i dont agree with people not liking it, well ... hating all versions 'up to' but not including 2007. ;D
i didnt think norton had it in them to create such good software in their 2007 product line.
pykko
October 26th, 2006, 09:00 AM
NOD32 gives few FPs. ;)
larryb52
October 26th, 2006, 09:06 AM
nod32 & Norton...
Technodrome
October 26th, 2006, 09:23 AM
Norton, Pc-Cillin and Sophos av are known to give minimum FPs.
tD
pykko
October 26th, 2006, 09:26 AM
well, yes! Norton gives also few FPs. Their heuristic engine is not so great as to give many FPs. ;D
Inspector Clouseau
October 26th, 2006, 09:48 AM
{QUOTE-> .. and Sophos av are known to give minimum FPs.
tD <-QUOTE}
The last one was known for this until someone had this glorious idea to flag almost every runtime packed file as "Mal/Packer".
C.S.J
October 26th, 2006, 09:51 AM
{QUOTE-> well, yes! Norton gives also few FPs. Their heuristic engine is not so great as to give many FPs. ;D <-QUOTE}
erm ...
but isnt their detection about 99% ? with hardly, 'if any' false positives?
Firefighter
October 26th, 2006, 10:13 AM
{QUOTE-> Which AV has had the least false positives, being both free or paid. <-QUOTE}I don't know if that is even measurable. If some av flags add-/spywares, hacktools, keyloggers or other riskware, there are too many opinions if they are infections or not! ;D
At first, someone has to specify what is a FP at all. 8)
Best regards,
Firefighter!
JerryM
October 26th, 2006, 10:24 AM
See why I don't have a clue? ;D ;D
Jerry
pykko
October 26th, 2006, 02:51 PM
{QUOTE-> erm ...
but isnt their detection about 99% ? with hardly, 'if any' false positives? <-QUOTE}
well, they have many defs ;)
echtp
October 26th, 2006, 03:57 PM
{QUOTE-> Which AV has had the least false positives, being both free or paid. <-QUOTE}
You can find the answer at http://www.av-comparatives.org. You should read the 'reports' And the answer is... Norton!
Alphalutra1
October 26th, 2006, 04:41 PM
{QUOTE-> erm ...
but isnt their detection about 99% ? with hardly, 'if any' false positives? <-QUOTE}
Pykko said that their heuristic detection isn't that strong, which means that less files are likely to be flagged as malware. 99% is about their definition based detection anyways. Look at the retrospective results ;)
Most corporate avs I know of have minimal fp's based on the fact that they don't max out the heuristic engine since if a fp was found, then all hell would break loose and I would not want to be an administrator of that network.
Alphalutra1
C.S.J
October 26th, 2006, 04:43 PM
{QUOTE-> You can find the answer at http://www.av-comparatives.org. You should read the 'reports' And the answer is... Norton! <-QUOTE}
yep as i said,
norton 0 false positives
avg 3 false positives
avira 25 false positives
one111
October 26th, 2006, 06:13 PM
Norton has the least false positives as far as I know. Actually I've been using Norton for years now and can't recall even one.
This, along with their top detection rates (99%) makes it one of the top choices
in today's market.
I don't know why the groupies of Kaspersky and Nod32 look for every opportunity to degrade this top of the line product.
lodore
October 26th, 2006, 06:16 PM
{QUOTE-> Norton has the least false positives as far as I know. Actually I've been using Norton for years now and can't recall even one.
This, along with their top detection rates (99%) makes it one of the top choices
in today's market.
I don't know why the groupies of Kaspersky and Nod32 look for every opportunity to degrade this top of the line product. <-QUOTE}
cos we have used old versions and have not been happy with em.
i used to use norton and the live update failed almost once every week and had to uninstall the liveupdate and reinstall it and it was such and pain and back then this was 2003 version it only updated once a week what a joke IMO and had to keep running intill all the updates come and reboot in the middle just like windows update. i havent tryed it since 2003 and dont intend trying it again. im about to install nod32 in the next few days if my dad lets me...
just my opinion and my experience
one111
October 26th, 2006, 06:23 PM
Norton has daily updates and this has been going on for as long as I can remember. In addition, for those who don't feel the need to update daily there is a weekly automatic upgrade.
By the way, over the years I've never encountered the update problem you mention.
lodore
October 26th, 2006, 06:28 PM
{QUOTE-> Norton has daily updates and this has been going on for as long as I can remember. In addition, for those who don't feel the need to update daily there is a weekly automatic upgrade.
By the way, over the years I've never encountered the update problem you mention. <-QUOTE}
i am talking about in the old 2003 version i had the liveupdate problem and i know it now has intelligent updater. i was just saying how the liveupdate kept going wrong on my old pc but it was running windows me the flop OS IMO.
probaly if i tryed nis 2007 on windows xp i would be surprised but im gonna be happy with nod32.
one111
October 26th, 2006, 06:32 PM
If you're happy with a certain product, especially one like Nod32 which is top-notch, you certainly shouldn't switch.
I was just giving my opinion of Norton which I'm happy with (-;
lodore
October 26th, 2006, 06:38 PM
{QUOTE-> If you're happy with a certain product, especially one like Nod32 which is top-notch, you certainly shouldn't switch.
I was just giving my opinion of Norton which I'm happy with (-; <-QUOTE}
thats fair enough if you happy with it keep it.
im not happy with f-secure so im im gonna convince my dad nod32 is better and get him to allow me to use nod32 instead over this weekend.
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