Slow page loading?

[Cochise]

Is it just me or are the pages very slow. Browsing from one Wilders page to another can take up to fourteen seconds! Yet at the bottom of the page it says 'Page created in .396 secs. or 1.499' or thereabouts.

But in reality it is much slower.

I'm not whining, just wondering if it's my OS.

regards, Cochise. 8)

[LowWaterMark]

I was on during this time and did not see any trouble. It's been good for the last 6 hours while I've been on.

I often see slowdowns like that where it is the network path from my ISP to the forums. It slows the request I make for a page, or the delivery of the page to me. But, be sure there are also times when things do slow down here, but those times are fairly rare now a days.

Note that the "page creation" time on the bottom of every page is what the server sees from its perspective in "generating" the page. It may be off if any slowdown occurs on the actual network delivery of the page to you. (Well, and actually because of a whole bunch of other factors. ::) )

[Cochise]

Hi LWM,

Thanks for that, actually, to-day, the pages are loading at about the stated speed.

I must have had a bit of a hang up somewhere.

Hope you didn't mind the query.

Cheers, Cochise. 8) :-[

[beetlejuice]

;D Cochise, read topic "Wilders SLOW!!!!!!!!!" pages 5 and 6. I think that will explain it. ;D

[LowWaterMark]

Yes, the site used to have some serious slowdown issues very frequently back then. Since that time we've moved to better hardware and upgraded to a better (faster) version of the board software.

There were times when the average page load was 15-20 seconds quite frequently. Now, it's rare to get pages that take more than a couple seconds. (Just look at some of the bad times in the thread referenced. :o )

It's so much better now! :) :)

However, this does not mean we don't want to hear about problems or slowdowns. Sometimes there will be server or network problems that will cause major performance impacts, and it's better to have people report them than not. Sometimes you'll find the slowdown is on your end (ISP, connection, whatever) but even then it's good to know where the problem is rather than just ignoring it.

So, feel free to report these kinds of problems here.

[beetlejuice]

;D LWM, it was a joke. See:
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=7030;start=60

Especially the part about the (1.21 gigawatts) ;D.

[LowWaterMark]

Yes, I know - I wrote that part. ;D

But, in seriousness my reply above was actually for the sake of the times when there will be real slowdowns here. They can and do still occur from time to time. I wanted everyone to know that they should feel free to post about any that they experience so we can address them.

[john2g]

It is real slow this morning. Around 4KB/sec for me on my ISDN line.

[root]

Indeed. For the last two days, this site has been slow as molasses in January. Something is wrong.
I have no problems on other websites.

[MickeyTheMan]

Indeed, i've had to stop pages from loading in last 2 days as it was taking too much time. Only applies here at wilders

[LowWaterMark]

Hmm, perhaps it was bad luck even talking about the forum speed. ::)

Can you all explain the characteristics of what you are seeing? "Slow" comes in many forms. Is it not even starting to load a page for many seconds when you first hit a Wilders link? Does the page form right away, but takes a very long time to fill in? Is it just the images coming down that is slow? What does the page creation time at the bottom of each page look like? (eg. "Page created in 0.452 seconds.")

More details may help us to identify the type of problem.

[StAnger]

{QUOTE-> quoting: LowWaterMark link=board=11;threadid=15159;start=0#msg95391 date=1066834226]
Hmm, perhaps it was bad luck even talking about the forum speed. ::)

Can you all explain the characteristics of what you are seeing? "Slow" comes in many forms. Is it not even starting to load a page for many seconds when you first hit a Wilders link? Does the page form right away, but takes a very long time to fill in? Is it just the images coming down that is slow? What does the page creation time at the bottom of each page look like? (eg. "Page created in 0.452 seconds.")

More details may help us to identify the type of problem.
<-QUOTE}

It takes 5 to 6 seconds after you click a link before the page actually starts to build. In Opera the page even goes blank for a while.
After that it's pretty normal. Page creation between .4 and 1.6 seconds.

[dallen]

I just wanted to add that I have a cable modem and I usually get lightning fast downloads, but right now I'm trying to read people's postings and it's taking longer than I think it should.

[Paul Wilders]

We have restarted apache and mysql on the server now; hopefully this will solve the problem.

Feed back from those suffering from the problem earlier on is much appreciated!

regards.

paul

[root]

Sorry Paul. The board is soo slow it's unusable for me. :'(

[spy1]

I've been noticing the problem myself here for the last week or so. Just assumed it was going to clear itself up, but it hasn't.


Here, it gets the top of the page pretty quickly, and the first few replies, but after that, the loading icon just keeps spinning and spinning, and it takes a minute or more for the entire page (with all posts on that page) to load.

Any kind of a check I can run from this end?

From IDServe:

Initiating server query ...
Looking up IP address for domain: www.wilderssecurity.com
The IP address for the domain is: 66.227.68.99
Connecting to the server on standard HTTP port: 80
[Connected] Requesting the server's default page.
The server returned the following response headers:
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:54:24 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.28 (Unix) mod_require_host/2.2 mod_gzip/1.3.26.1a mod_log_bytes/1.2 mod_bwlimited/1.0 PHP/4.3.2 FrontPage/5.0.2.2634 mod_ssl/2.8.15 OpenSSL/0.9.6b
X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.2
Set-Cookie: PHPSESSID=0053ff2e038fe93eb4c89776fd6729e0; path=/
Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT
Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate
Pragma: no-cache
Last-Modified: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:54:25 GMT
Connection: close
Transfer-Encoding: chunked
Content-Type: text/html
Query complete.

"Ping"/"Traceroute" w/PortExplorer:

__________________________________________________________________[24-OCT-2003][09:57]
Pinging 66.227.68.99 with 32 bytes of data

Request Timed Out
Request Timed Out
Request Timed Out
Request Timed Out

Packets: Sent=4, Received=0, Lost=4 (100%% loss)
Approximate Round Trip Times in Milliseconds:
Minimum=0ms, Maximum=0ms, Average=0ms
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__________________________________________________________________[24-OCT-2003][09:58]
Tracing route to 66.227.68.99

1 10ms ****** 1043ms [199.222.167.1] lwhe1-1.2wcm.comporium.net
2 25ms ****** 956ms [165.166.175.1] ge0.1.rhcojm10.comporium.net
3 178ms 27ms 19ms [165.166.47.9]
4 78ms ****** 585ms [12.125.220.29]
5 349ms ****** 1127ms [12.123.149.1] tbr1-p012701.attga.ip.att.net
6 113ms ****** 1176ms [12.122.10.69] tbr2-cl1.wswdc.ip.att.net
7 115ms ****** 1079ms [12.123.9.117] ggr2-p3120.wswdc.ip.att.net
8 137ms ****** 970ms [209.244.219.141] so-2-0-0.edge1.Washington1.Level3.net
9 236ms ****** 1046ms [209.244.11.13] so-5-0-0.gar2.Washington1.Level3.net
10 133ms ****** 877ms [209.247.11.169] so-0-2-0.mp1.Houston1.Level3.net
11 172ms ****** 884ms [209.247.11.182] gige9-0.hsipaccess1.Houston1.Level3.net
12 165ms ****** 813ms [209.247.121.218] unknown.Level3.net
13 117ms ****** 733ms [66.7.143.182] o0-2jp2.hou002bd02.yipes.com
14 216ms ****** 728ms [66.7.143.158] o0-2bd2.hou003bd02.yipes.com
15 187ms ****** 652ms [66.7.143.54] o5-3bd2.hou005ap01.yipes.com
16 144ms ****** 1225ms [66.54.158.66]
17 ****** ****** ****** Request Timed Out

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[Paul Wilders]

It's a real puzzle indeed - no problems in any way over here. Here's a traceroute (starting Paris/France:

traceroute to 66.227.68.99 (66.227.68.99)


1 evry-0-155Mbps.gw.frontier.fr 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms (213.161.193.1)
2 telehouse2-c0-1Gbps.gw.frontier.fr 0 ms 15 ms 0 ms (213.161.200.33)
3 128.ge3-0.er1b.cdg2.fr.mfnx.net 0 ms 16 ms 0 ms (62.4.76.35)
4 pos0-2.cr1.cdg2.fr.above.net 0 ms 16 ms 0 ms (208.184.231.210)
5 so-5-1-0.cr1.lhr3.uk.above.net 0 ms 16 ms 15 ms (64.125.31.129)
6 pos10-0.mpr1.lhr1.uk.above.net 15 ms 16 ms 16 ms (208.184.231.173)
7 pos2-3.core2.London1.Level3.net 16 ms 16 ms 15 ms (212.187.131.89)
8 ae0-53.mp1.London1.Level3.net 0 ms 16 ms 15 ms (212.187.131.129)
9 so-1-0-0.mp1.London2.Level3.net 15 ms 16 ms 16 ms (212.187.128.49)
10 so-1-0-0.bbr1.Washington1.level3.ne 78 ms 78 ms 94 ms (212.187.128.138)
11 so-0-1-0.mp2.Houston1.Level3.net 125 ms 109 ms 125 ms (209.247.11.166)
12 gige9-1.hsipaccess1.Houston1.Level3 125 ms 110 ms 125 ms (209.247.11.190)
13 unknown.Level3.net 125 ms 109 ms 141 ms (209.247.121.218)
14 o0-2jp2.hou002bd02.yipes.com 125 ms 125 ms 125 ms (66.7.143.182)
15 o0-2bd2.hou003bd02.yipes.com 125 ms 125 ms 125 ms (66.7.143.158)
16 o5-3bd2.hou005ap01.yipes.com 141 ms 125 ms 125 ms (66.7.143.54)
17 66.54.158.66 125 ms 141 ms 141 ms (66.54.158.66)
18 66.227.68.99 125 ms 125 ms 125 ms (66.227.68.99)

Obviously some are encountering this problem - and fairly most aren't ???

We sure want to solve this problem - not as long there's no consistency, that's going to be a rather diffecult job...

To all: please post, either if all is OK, or you are encountering the same problems please.

regards.

paul

[spy1]

12:14:36 PM***NETBIOS***UDP***www.wilderssecurity.com***NETBIOS_NS***Block NetBIOS Traffic

Odd. Why would OPP be blocking this? Pete

[Q Section]

I say - dreadfully slow loading times. To get from a forum to the main index was just 2+minutes and timed out. Right now UTC London = 1750.

This is an intermittent problem. this time index page loads almost right away. 1803.

[Cochise]

Crikey! I wish I hadn't said anything now. LOL

Looks like I've given you all (and the Site) the Kiss of Death.

I'll get me coat! ;D

I don't suppose Cochise' signal fire as damaged anything do you?

Regards, Cochise, 8)

[the Tester]

Hi.

I'm having the same problems that Spy1 described.
Last night I did the speed tweak for Firebird and that helped a little.

The two days prior to that page loading was worse,extremely slow.
Change of browser doesn't help.
I have tried Opera 7.21 and Beonex in addition to Firebird 0.7.
Pages are loading better today,but not as good as last week.

[FanJ]

Hey Paul,

I'm sorry:

Slow for me too, although sometimes better and sometimes not......

[hayc59]

I am also experincing very slow
page loading :'(
Not happening when I go to other
web sites ;)

[LowWaterMark]

This is very strange...

For two days I've had bad site performance here (on and off like everyone else), however, for the last couple hours it has been as good as it ever was, and yet you two are saying it is still bad.

This is really hard to figure out. :-\

[bigc73542]

These pages get used so much they are just tired and taking it easy. ;D

[crockett]

Hi everyone...

May gonna regret this post, but...

Has any of you been updating his browser recently ?!

Might have nothing related, but...

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=14940;start=msg95003#msg95003

BTW, I'm on OutpostPro2...

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[DolfTraanberg]

In my case I'll have to watch the the header for about 10 secs and after that I get the rest very fast.
Dolf

[Peaches4U]

??? Is there a full moon out? :D Pages are loading a tad slower than normal. hmmmm :-\

[MichaelE]

???Well no full moon here. Sun is shining and the sky is blue and clear.. But visiting Wilders is not fun at all right now....
It is soooooooo sloow... :(
Michael up in Sweden

[FanJ]

eh....the electro sun storm ::)

[Pilli]

Hi Jan Solar storms are rate 0 - 5 This weeks were 3 but another is expected this weekend early next week :( or Maybe the blackhats have found out that DCS are releasing a new security programme..... :D

[mr.mark]

{QUOTE-> quoting: MichaelE link=board=11;threadid=15159;start=15#msg96030 date=1067087037]But visiting Wilders is not fun at all right now.... It is soooooooo sloow... :( <-QUOTE}agreed. this is painful waiting around for page loads. nothing else to do but just logout and check in another time to see if anything changed.

[sig]

I couldn't reach the forums at all earlier today (or the Big Brother status page). Then when I got in later it was loading slowly. Now it's back to zipping along, for me anyway. Must be gremlins. ;)

[LowWaterMark]

Today's problem appears to have been at the Host. Our site and many sites served by the same hosting company were all down. (Big Brother is hosted at the same place unfortunately, so it was down when we were. ::) )

[hayc59]

Not No More!! Its Sooo
Fast now..... ;D

[spydespiser]

Let's hope it stays so :o

;D

SpyD 8)

[MickeyTheMan]

Yes indeed ! :D
Past week was not so rosy...

[hayc59]

hey Mickey whats up?? ;)

[the Tester]

Hi.

Page loading is back to normal here. :)

[spy1]

Back to normal here, too, thank God. Pete

[MickeyTheMan]

Yep, whatever it was, i'm sure glas it's over......for now anyway ;)

[dallen]

Hello. I just wanted to say whatever you did to speed up the load times is working. I posted a reply to this thread a while back commenting on the slowness and when I visited the forum today I noticed a huge improvement. Way to go!!! Now all I ask for is TDS 4 and WG 4 to be released. I know that you probably get tired of hearing this, but an approximate release date would be nice.
Dustin

P.S.
I love your software.