Opera 7.21 Final

[crockett]

Hi Opera fans ;)

This one we've been waiting for...

http://www.opera.com/windows/changelogs/721/

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[crockett]

7.21 Final doesn't mean it's gonna be the last version of Opera, though...

See http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ce62d48a240907e44d28578c23855d6a&threadid=34031

Peakaboo, gonna be offline for app. 20 hours from now on... If you dwnld and have time to redo the popups tests 3 and 9, would you be kind enough to keep me up to date ?

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[peakaboo]

Hi Crockett,

Sure thing.

You'll probably be back on line b4 I try it though :)

I learned from my IE patch days not to be among the first to try software updates, especially since when I monitored the O beta forum was seeing a couple more crash reports on RC6 valid or not... was seeing some this am on the final but did not get a chance to look for any pattern.

Hope all is well.

Take care.

[peakaboo]

Crockett,

I'm using 7.21 now, but may decide to go back to 7.2.

Seems a tad slower in rendering images on my machine.

[crockett]

Hello Peak'

Still making up my mind about 7.21 final.

Seems to be somewhat slower to start connecting to some sites at some points of surf. But I 've been adding one or two new soft's on my OS, and tweaked somewhat in my FW, so I don't know what caused what...

Recently discovered the easiness with which one may switch from one language to another in Opera, though. Very nice and swift.

Also discovered the alt-P function to get at once into the Preferences menu. Not a big deal, but I just love it !

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[FluxGFX]

Hey just my 2 cents but 7.21 loads my pages only in half all the time

and 7.2 no trouble at all... seems to me theres a glitch ;)

I'm currently using 7.2

[the Tester]

I installed Opera 7.21 final last night.
So far it seems to load up faster and is stable.
Surfing speed and page loading are good.

I like it. :)

[peakaboo]

Good info all,

Crock, I like the alt+P (very handy). Thank You.

I'm still testing Opera 7.21, still trying to see if it is a keeper or whether I go back to 7.2

Trying to stay with this version since it upgraded to most recent SSL

GDI resources for those using win9x are virtually all returned upon closing page tabs. Huge difference for me from 7.11.

7.2 still seems to be the speed deamon for me though. :)

I ran across some tips you may want to peruse. I was using most but ran across the bumping connections to server to 16 (from 8... ) with max connections at 20

seems to speed up a little...

anyway here is the link for the tips:

http://www.geocities.com/brogerbaum/opera.html

almost sounds like an Opera commercial but it does has some good fine tuning tips nestled in there... 8)

[peakaboo]

-{ Quote: " quoting: peakaboo link=board=9;threadid=14940;start=0#msg95297 date=1066780167]

7.2 still seems to be the speed deamon for me though. :)

I ran across some tips you may want to peruse. I was using most but ran across the bumping connections to server to 16 (from 8... ) with max connections at 20

seems to speed up a little...

anyway here is the link for the tips:

http://www.geocities.com/brogerbaum/opera.html

almost sounds like an Opera commercial but it does has some good fine tuning tips nestled in there... 8)
" }-

I found another site by nontroppo which says the opposite view on connections...

http://nontroppo.org/wiki/Opera7Performance

-{ Quote: "Web standards suggest a browser should use no more than two connections per server[1]. Opera's default is 8 connections per server (although this number is halved to give 4 connections[2]). Many users increase this number thinking it will make Opera faster. Often too many simultaneous connections will actually slow down the time taken to load a page (servers can deny lots of simultaneous connections, and the overhead to make lots of new connections takes longer than if data was pipelined on a single connection). If you get Opera hanging on parts of a page, reduce this number back to 8 or 4. You can keep the "Max total connections" higher, and this number depends on the bandwidth/speed of your internet connection. I've used 32 with no problem on dial-up. If you open lots of pages simultaneously, try increasing this number.

[1] http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec8.html#sec8.1.4

[2] http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&selm=6pfqlv4k5s1rq1i22rf7m3s4nd824tpiol%404ax.com

" }-

I think nontroppo is probably correct but I need to tweak my settings to verify...

here is more chatter about speed & Opera for those interested:

http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=843a34c98e9875260468c49d4f1c6e30&threadid=34796

[peakaboo]

-{ Quote: " quoting: peakaboo link=board=9;threadid=14940;start=0#msg95428 date=1066852685]
I found a site by nontroppo which says the opposite view on connections...

http://nontroppo.org/wiki/Opera7Performance

-{ Quote: "Web standards suggest a browser should use no more than two connections per server[1]. Opera's default is 8 connections per server (although this number is halved to give 4 connections[2]). Many users increase this number thinking it will make Opera faster. Often too many simultaneous connections will actually slow down the time taken to load a page (servers can deny lots of simultaneous connections, and the overhead to make lots of new connections takes longer than if data was pipelined on a single connection). If you get Opera hanging on parts of a page, reduce this number back to 8 or 4. You can keep the "Max total connections" higher, and this number depends on the bandwidth/speed of your internet connection. I've used 32 with no problem on dial-up. If you open lots of pages simultaneously, try increasing this number.

[1] http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec8.html#sec8.1.4

[2] http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&selm=6pfqlv4k5s1rq1i22rf7m3s4nd824tpiol%404ax.com

" }-

I think nontroppo is probably correct but I need to tweak my settings to verify...

here is more chatter about speed & Opera for those interested:

http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=843a34c98e9875260468c49d4f1c6e30&threadid=34796

" }-

brief surfing after going to 4 connections indicates nontroppo is correct 8)

think I'll try 2 connections too :)

[crockett]

Hi...

Interesting comments and links !

Thanks Peakaboo

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[crockett]

Hello ;)

Why - I don't have any clue, but it seems 7.20 works better for me than 7.21.

So back to previous final.

I'll try and go back up to next 7.21rc, then next one, etc. to see where smoothness got lost.

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[peakaboo]

Hi C,

I too went back to 7.2

just seems to work better for me too.

I'm not sure the connection thing has much impact, at least I'm not seeing it.

I'm trying your screen shot config for now 4/32 ...

probably wind up back at default :)

[peakaboo]

-{ Quote: "I'm not sure the connection thing has much impact, at least I'm not seeing it.

I'm trying your screen shot config for now 4/32 ...

probably wind up back at default " }-

Then again what do I know... lol

punted 4/32 and went to 4/16

4/16 seems faster for me for now...

probably change me mind by tomorrow :)

[crockett]

Well, Peak'...

Just another night at the Opera :D

BTW, now trying 4/64 on 7.20... Works great for now.

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[crockett]

Hi again...

Best results for me when 7.20 and 4/64 and enabling HTTP1 for Proxy

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[peakaboo]

It appears that experimenting with the Opera config allows optimization for ones own specific pc.

Crockett is using 4/64 and this works well for her.

I am using 4/16 and find this to optimize for my pc.

C rock, what proxy r u running with that config?

also besides speed, are there any other advantages to running proxy thru http 1.1; what is difference between http & http 1.1?

googled but could not find anything definitive on the matter...

tia

[crockett]

Hi :)

Looked at webopedia http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/H/HTTP.html

But couldn't find anything on http 1.1

Maybe we'll have to ask on the Opera forums...

Crockett 8)

[crockett]

-{ Quote: " quoting: peakaboo link=board=9;threadid=14940;start=15#msg96098 date=1067107969]
C rock, what proxy r u running with that config?

also besides speed, are there any other advantages to running proxy thru http 1.1; what is difference between http & http 1.1?

googled but could not find anything definitive on the matter...

tia
" }-

I run WebWasher... See http://www.webwasher.com/client/home/index.html?lang=de_EN

Some indications on http 1.1 at http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=e55ad785b6efaca1976c8a5fb4398bec&threadid=14965&highlight=http+1.1 but might be necessary to go and post overthere and ask more precisely what it is...

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[peakaboo]

-{ Quote: "I run WebWasher..." }-

that explains it.

I run Proxomitron on http...

BTW... really like the look of Webwasher, if I ever give up using Proxo, I know where to look... 8)

[crockett]

Hi Peak' :)

Ever tried this config' for the progress bar ?

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[peakaboo]

Hi C',

I prefer to let the progress bar popup at the bottom and disappear when done.

Have you tried Opera M2?

I started using Opera's M2 email client and like it alot.

I was initially concerned about security, but ran some searches and found a couple of links:

+ Opera does not run executable attachments automatically, so there is no risk involved in viewing e-mails. In order for a virus to infect your PC, the code containing the virus must be run. Opera will open image attachments automatically, but this is harmless, and you cannot be infected this way.

http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=496&session=3930698ba5da4aa5714018c24a35b278


+ Can Opera users be infected by the Nimda worm?

Opera is not vulnerable to viruses attached to incoming e-mail, since Opera does not open attachments automatically (and JavaScript is disabled in e-mails). If a user is to be infected by a virus, this person needs to save the virus to disk and run it. This means that you cannot be infected automatically.

http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=286&session=3930698ba5da4aa5714018c24a35b278

I may integrate some sort of viewer with it but I don't think it is needed since any nasties will not execute automatically in M2 & java script is disabled in emails.

Guess I can test this using one of those email security sites.

http://www.windowsecurity.com/emailsecuritytest/

I'm in the process of removing Netscape 4.7 which was my backup browser and pop3 email client, when I was using IE 5.x a while back as primary, b4 finding Opera.

I no longer run cookie wall & Adshield since I'm running Opera... so almost 3 programs eliminated. 8)

[crockett]

Hi ;)

Yes, tried it and I like it too. But I have the (good/bad?!) habit to separate functions in soft's as much as possible, provided it seems to me to be a good way to increase security and independence between these soft's.

I always think that, if something goes wrong with one piece of software, I'm better off if the other functions are still running by way of the remaining other pieces.

So I always try to separate email client from browser.

Anyway, I may decide later to enable the Opera client to receive mails, while disabling the send-message part. By leaving the messages on the server, I would then use M2client to automatically check presence/absence of new mails while surfing... But not made up my mind yet.

BTW, the last Opera 7.21 RC is working fine for me...

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[crockett]

-{ Quote: " quoting: peakaboo link=board=9;threadid=14940;start=15#msg96787 date=1067360901]
Opera is not vulnerable to viruses attached to incoming e-mail, since Opera does not open attachments automatically (and JavaScript is disabled in e-mails). If a user is to be infected by a virus, this person needs to save the virus to disk and run it. This means that you cannot be infected automatically. [/b]
Guess I can test this using one of those email security sites.

http://www.windowsecurity.com/emailsecuritytest/

I'm in the process of removing Netscape 4.7 which was my backup browser and pop3 email client, when I was using IE 5.x a while back as primary, b4 finding Opera.

I no longer run cookie wall & Adshield since I'm running Opera... so almost 3 programs eliminated. 8)
" }-

May be true for Nimda Worm, but not sure one cannot be infected by a virus without first saving the attachment to disk. Seems to me double-clicking on the attachment without saving first would do the job. One then would have to rely on AV. But I agree it would happen manually, not automatically, and I agree too with the worm part.

I'm interested in the results you'll get after testing M2...

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[peakaboo]

I'm sticking @ 7.2 for now.

Would love to pick up the Open SSL upgrade in 7.21, but may have to do it on the next go round.

I'm too security oriented to take the email test. Will trust that Opera has done what it says it can do in this area. I have no reason to doubt otherwise.

I dumped Netscrap 4.7 without incident so far. Gained approx 30 Mb.

[crockett]

Hi...

Seems Opera M2 works fine, and performs very wisely when receiving infected mail as I did today.

Disposing of a complete backup of my system, I calmly clicked on the link and Opera proposed to save the attachment to disk, which I accepted. I then checked the file with my av, which simply did what it was supposed to.

Rgds,
Almost-got-infected-Crockett 8)

[crockett]

The tricky mail looked like this (see screenshot below).

It was a nice try, I must say... :o

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[peakaboo]

Hi.

Since we are trading Opera tips thought I would throw a couple out...

1) If you want a new tab within your existing Opera window...

use center mouse button and click once on the grey page bar to the right of the last open tab.

2) to close a tab...

use center mouse button and click once on the open tab (on the page bar) you want to close.

3) If you want to open another Opera window (not just a tab within the existing window) ....

ctrl + alt + N

1 mo....

to close all tabs but your current tab...

ctrl + alt + W

make sure you are on the page you want to keep up :)