TDS newbie

[enigma]

Taking low watermark's advise for a layered defence, to compliment NAV, i looked into Bo Clean, TDS, and Trogan Hunter. I chose TDS.
Im trying the demo starting today. Just ran my first scan and WOW, im really impressed! Looks like another satisfied customer. Dont fully understand all the tweaks, but im going to read the posts here (TDS) and that will help. If you have any suggestions for a newbie to TDS, they would be appreciated.
Picked up 1 alarm. Leak Test. But thats to be expected. Not really a Trojan.

enigma

[Pilli]

Hello & welcome Enigma, TDS3 is a very powerful tool in the fight against Trojan.
Try this for some of the basics: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=2871

Don't forget to try WormGuard & Port Explorer to augment your defences :) + the many other free tools available on the DCS site.

[DolfTraanberg]

You might want to have a look here as well:
http://diamondcs.com.au/forum/
Dolf

[enigma]

Okay,
Ive printed out the page with the basic configurations and im off on a mission 8) Ill make sure it set up accordingly and run a second scan. Be back if i run into trouble.
Thanks to Pilli for the link!!
Dollefie, ive put that link into favorites and im going there to do more research. Thanks for all your help!!

enigma

[enigma]

Well, a progress report.
After going through the basic set-up that Pilli gave the link to, i ran a scan and it only picked up Leak test, dsostop2, and 3 restore. I believe restore is my retore points ive created in XP. If it could be something else please let me know and i will give a complete description.
Many thanks to all who helped me!!!!!
enigma

[Pilli]

Try, configuration - Options - See if you can get TDS to talk to you ;D

[enigma]

Hi Pilli,
Tried Config.-Options. Turned up the volume on my box and at speach syn. Hit the button but nothing. Checked the basic set-up again and it is set-up just as the directions say. If im missing a componet on this new box that i should have got..........well it aint gonna be pretty ;D
Okay, you've tweaked my interest. How do i get it to talk to me?
1 more thing. Config. e-mail set-up: not my address. Its admin@localhost. Not sure about that. Maybe because its The basic version?

[Jooske]

Hello Enigma,
can the suggestions in this thread (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=121;start=15) help you for getting the speech synthesis to work on an XP system? Make sure if you want to work with it you collect on the msagent download page all the TTS engines in languages you understand including the voice recognition machine and the SAPI4 runtimes. All is in the thread i posted above.
Let us hear how it goes!


The email you can configutre at wish and make sure you have the proper SMTP address there. Test will tell you if all went ok.

[Mr.Blaze]

:Dactualy i had problems geting mine to talk certin files were missing jooskey know what files to dowenload

its really not that hard

but makeing it say what you want it to say like tell jokes and stuff thats hard stuff

still jooskey good teacher :D

[Jooske]

Ahhh you mean the MrBlaze TDS scripting and speech technology thread! (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=10402)

[Pilli]

Enigma, If you follow the instructions given by Jooske, I am sure you will soon have a talking TDS3 :)
It is all part of TDS3's added capabilities & is very instructive in many ways. Lots to learn but very satisfying ;D

[enigma]

Whoa........This is way over my head!! I will study this very throughly though. Maybe by the time the 30 day trial is up i will try to make this talk. Ill need some time to understand what im reading. A couple of the links (dont remember which ones) i had to log in. Their dated March 2002. But i wasnt registered at that time, therefore i couldnt get in. I will let you know as i start to study the posts and links.
I want to say thanks to Mr. Blaze, Jooske, and Pilli for your giudence and posts on this subject. It is greatly appreciated!!

Enigma

[Jooske]

Login where? I sent you just to the www.microsoft.com/msagent site to get all the downloads for the TTS engines and the voice recognition software (NOT the msagent exe core part as XP has their own version of that included!) and the msagent characters and the SAPI4 runtimes and speech control panel..
Nothing to login there.
Then in the control panel go to the speech panel and temporary from there disable the SAPI5 speech engine which ships with XP so the SAPI4 can do it's job.
Nothing to login there either.
So i wonder which links you were trying for what?

[enigma]

Jooske,
Okay i made a mistake!!!!! I have 2 other threads going at Wilders.
I read them last night and tried to respond to them today, but i screwed up!! Okay?

enigma

[enigma]

I was referring to this thread: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=121;start=15
Your post: Reply # 7 Oct.12,2003 07:15:27 PM
Stating that i had to log in is MY mistake! I was wrong!!

[Jooske]

For the DCS forum and Private registered users only forum you'll have to login after register as a forum member at DCS.
Hope to help you into the speaking part:
Main thing on XP
get the SAPI4 runtimes at www.microsoft.com/msagent
get all the other parts (text-to-speech engines, voice recognition engine, msagent characters, speech control panel, but not the msagent.exe core file although you mgiht need the other language core files if you take other languages too, not sure, have to try that out if i find an XP user around)
there are msagent characters on your XP cd-rom, btw. Make also sure you have the real Merlin (with speech included) besides the MSOffice (and maybe comes with XP?) Wizard (looks the same, has no speech elements included) to avoid frustrations.
In my public TDS scripts i use most of time the Genie, btw.
OK, you had those downloads, installed them default, you might need to run in the TDS directory the spchapi.exe which comes with TDS (from the TDS d/l site, the scripts and speech elements) to connect the speech engines with TDS.
In XP you'll need to temporary disable the SAPI5 via the control panel to enable SAPI4 to work.
Now if you type something in the bottom of TDS like
speak "Hello to myself!" <enter>
it should speak your message.
If this all functions right, look in the scripts (you need to unzip /install that which will go default in your TDS directory) in a folder UserSubmitted\Jooske\InnerPeace.ss3
Via TDS > SS3 > Load script > go to that InnerPeace script and click it.
It should popup the Genie with a story if all goes well.
Please tell us if all worked and if not where it went wrong so it's easier for us to locate an eventual problem!
If the script caused a sudden run to the nearest supermarket we know it was another kind of problem, the script working too well!

[enigma]

Jooske,
As i stated in reply #11 :Whoa........This is way over my head!! I will study this very throughly though. Maybe by the time the 30 day trial is up i will try to make this talk. Ill need some time to understand what im reading.
I will let you know how i do.

enigma

[Jooske]

Oops! thought i gave almost a step-by-step instruction?
Where does it go wrong?

BTW: how's the rest of TDS for you relating to configuration, updating (daily from the site) scanning, maybe other tools you tried by now to look at?

If you would type in the bottom of the console Speak "hello!" and you hear something (boxes volume up of course) you know you did well for that speech part.
Print the instructions out, use your marker for what has been accomplished already or write what was wrong/misunderstood so we can help you further from there --
no, we can't register you all voice commanded (we can, but that script isn't written yet :) imagine the risks if you are in the process and sneeze it out, Genie with his friendly voice asking if you want the whole Action packet with that? and reacting "bles you!")

[enigma]

Hi Jooske,
Yes you are very through with the step by step instructions. Im just a little gun shy about doing it :) Im at the office and i have alot of stuff going on . Please be patient and i will get back to you when i get home. I will have more time to digest your instructions at that time :)
Thank you.

enigma

[Jooske]

We're all very patient here and happily awaiting your next steps.
Remember: TDS can bring so much fun with security which will reflect in your work.
Certainly with TDS singing and telling nice things and a Genie dancing on your screen, while he tells you the time and all voice commanded sends away your email and can help you with lot of other stuff your working environment will love to see happening!
Don't be shy, the computer doesn't bite, and in the meantime as long you're updating and scanning you know exactly what's going on on your system, being safe to the computer's bottom!
You might like either to print out the pages/instructions or email them to your computer at home so you just only need to click on the links!

[enigma]

Hi Jooske,
I must go on the road for about 3 days. :( Its a business thing. Ill be back Fri. nite. Then i will start the downloads and see if all goes well :) If not i will be asking fir help. If all goes well, then i will also let you know.

enigma

[Jooske]

Have a wonderful and successfull trip, and certainly something to look forward to once you return (the weekend!)

[Mr.Blaze]

:D ohhh it not that hard to get tds to talk just the normal talking


its when you get into scripting and ms agents it get a littile hard but its way worth it


i wish i had time id just say install that i think sapi thing and let it go from there

[Dithean]

Hello ~ I have just dl'd the trial version after a friend recommended the software to me. I have been reading the forum, and will install the program and see what comes up :)

The program looks very impressive ~ so I am looking forward to trying it out. Will get back to you. :)

[Jooske]

Hello Dithean and welcome to the forum!
TDS is very impressive, true, and we learn to work with it for our saystem's defence and lots more! It adds so much to our education if we want, recognizing and dealing with trojans and lots of other nasties and intruders, not to forget to our good humor!
TDS makes security so much fun again!

[Dithean]

Hi again. Thank you for the welcome :)

I set up and configured TDS 3, then did a full scan ~ and my system was clean. Very reassuring.
I read about all the facilities, and tried some of them ~ also clean :)

I like the packaging together of so many relevant functions ~ so I recommended TDS 3 my boyfriend. Unfortunately, since he runs Japanese Windows he will have to wait a while longer to try this great software.
I'll keep exploring though. Keep up the good work.
Looking forward to future developments.

[Jooske]

Aha! So you are the good Scottish girlfriend who recommended the bloody good software suite! And right you are, it is way cool or hot, whatever you call it.
Keep it updated and play with it, make sure your system is everything ready, (i mean scripting, speech and msagent all enabled and well installed) so you can enhance the TDS experience till great heights, and even more for the registered users who have even more protection, functions and can run unlimited big scripts.
We could forget TDS is in the first place a security tool with all those additional possibilities 8)
that happens when it's sky high top notch security tool with possibilities only limited by our imagination and scripting possibilities but it keeps us awake (certainly if you let tje jukebox script plahy all your favorites) and we like to determine every bit of file TDS now all of a sudden enables us to do and lots more.

See for your Japanese friend in his "error #R31" thread here which options he can try.

[enigma]

Hi Jooske,
Trip took longer than i thought. :( Ill be back on line tomorrow night with some questions for you. :) I cant do the e-mail from office you suggested. Dont allow staff to conduct personel bus. from office. So i shouldnt either. Have a good day and ill post tomorrow night.

enigma

[La Vega]

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« Reply #120 on: October 08, 2003, 04:15:10 PM »

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Worms...Bugs...Trojan Horses ----- I hate those guys!!Insidious people who work these nasties up --- I hate those guys even more! I feel fortunate to have wandered onto this site. I'm new to these issues, so I'd like to hang about and learn what I can. I appreciate your terrific work and outstanding citizenship !!
-------From Denver, Colorado.

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Hello Jooske
I am very impressed with the forum. Particularly with the assistance that you provide. I just downloaded TDS-3 trial version. I'm totally in the dark about these matters, but, as you, I will endeavor to master this subject and hopefully one day be able to contribute. After all of your advice on the TDS configuration, I am still unable to get the speech and e-mail functions to operate. These are not major problems as I will continue to do research. I am inclined to register before the 30 limit is passed - and maybe that would take care of these small items. Questions - I downloaded the speech files into my system - I also copied them into the TDS directory after the download - with no success ?? I also could use some very specific SMTP language clues on the email issue - the folks at DCS are not able to provide any clues - your thoughts are greatly appreciated. Thank you so much

[Jooske]

Hello El Cid and welcome!
For the speech part this thread gives lots of info:
here (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=121;start=15).
SMTP languages, i don't understand what you mean here?

[Pilli]

Hello El Cid,
In TDS open Configuration, servers, put your normal email address in the "Your email address" In the box above "SMTP server" type smtp.yourisp.com
i.e. whatever your ISP's smtp mail server is usually called

Press the test button and you should receive and email back from DCS.

HTH. Pilli

[La Vega]

Hello Pilli
Hello Jooske
Thanks alot for being there, and for responding.
Pilli, that SMTP item is a bit of trouble for me. I followed the instructions in the configuration text - which mirrors your response, and I have tried everything I know, (also spent lots of time trying) to enter the correct configuration, to no avail - yet! DCS is not familiar with my SMTP and suspects that it may be "encrypted and require authentication". I am probably doing something dramatically stupid - I have tried all of the SMTP variations of the string that works for my regular mail: "http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata" (without the parens). Including inserting SMTP at the front. I'll keep drilling this well for awhile - and thank you again for responding.

Jooske, I believe I now have enough information on the thread that you suggested. After reading the entries, there is some new information that was not available in prior threads. As well, after I fired up TDS this morning, It TALKED to me (although it manufactured a terrific new version of my last name !!). So, I am half way there, will now work on the type-to-speech and Genie issues.
For your info, following your previous thread, in attempting to get TDS to speak to me, I downloaded the MS files:
actcnc 6181kb
tv_enva 991kb
genie 1590kb,
and the DCS file: spchapi 825kb
directly into my TDS directory (on WINDOWS XP).
(Nothing was adjusted in XP's Speech, Sound and Audio control panels.)
I guess it must have been late, and I didn't test the system properly. All it needed was a re-start!
Be well, and thanks again,
Steve

[Jooske]

As it now speaks, i suppose you actually did install them too which is always going default.
The msagent characters go in the c:\windows\msagent\chars (whatever your windows dir is called). If you have your windows in another place and it would not work with the agents on msagent sites you might visit on line, it could be an idea to create that place just for the agents; small tip!
On that msagent d/l page is also a file for the speech control panel, that will be the one which will show up in the control panel area to manipulate the speech engines like closing temporary the SAPI5 which you probably were able to as you could hear TDS speak to you.

In the Configuration you can have your name like you want to be greeted, so even El Cid is possible.
Thanks to that TDS pronounciation the whole internet makes my name Jooskiiiiiii -- so be it, one learns to live with it :)
Time to use the scripts\usersubmitted\jooske\innerpeace.ss3 to try your Genie (and apetite)


For that email i'm not all sure. Don't you have any ISP whose smtp server you can use smtp.isp.com or mail.isp.com and your hotmail account as you want it?

[Pilli]

Re SMTP, I think this may be a hot mail - ISP problem, so may I suggest that you use you check the hotmail FAQ's or ask yur ISP if there is a way round it.
Others may respond that have had this problem.
Sorry I cannot give youa definitive answer :(

[La Vega]

Hello Pilli, Jooske and others
fyi
RE the SMTP configuration issue. My ISP - MSN.com, (there may be others) uses a web (incoming only!) based email system (HTTP). The TDS configuration is actually looking for a POP3 system - though it does not specify this, and therefore my difficulties. The solutions are:
1. Having MSN "approve" a conversion "back" to a POP3 setup which they are inclined not to do - but will if I think this is absolutely necessary. I chose not to - as there are alternatives to getting info back to TDS, (plus the process is mostly creepy, and I would then not be able to access my mail from other locations as easily.).
2. MSN will be coming out with a new browser version in November that will support a POP3 product from another vendor as an add-in, (vs. a conversion). I'll probably do that.
3. Dump MSN and etc. etc.

Thought this might clarify for others this little SMTP hangnail, as, I understand, there are millions of MSN and other HTTP email type ISP users - and therefore, potential TDS customers.

Thank you again for your great help - now I will continue to try and get the "type-to-speech" function working. Downloaded what I think is everything, but am probably not configuring, (or something) correctly.
Cheers!
Steve

[DolfTraanberg]

{QUOTE-> quoting: El Cid link=board=5;threadid=14848;start=30#msg95979 date=1067059081]
The TDS configuration is actually looking for a POP3 system - though it does not specify this.... <-QUOTE}
TDS wants you to specify your outgoing(SMTP) server address, not your incoming (POP or web) address
Dolf

[Jooske]

I have a hotmail account as well and i guess it will be the same with MSN
From my OE account i sent myself an email both by replying on something and changing the reply address to my own and a new message to myself, in both cases using the hotmail account as a sender.
I see in the full header to another account of me this line
Received: from hotmail.com (sea2-dav73.sea2.hotmail.com
and this
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC
so maybe you can test something equal with your account and see if you can do anything with that.
You could also use any normal account and use a forwarding to your hotmail if you really want it there: outlook express can do that for you with the message rules.
Just practise a bit with those if you use outlook express or another client with message rules.

[La Vega]

Thank you Dollefie and Jooske for your thoughts.
Your both correct.
Just want to tidy up a couple of points.

TDS wants you to specify your outgoing(SMTP) server address, not your incoming (POP or web) address
Dolf


Dolf, My first task upon opening the TDS-3 box was configuration. After doing so, unbeknown to me, my current ISP (MSN) universal (default) setup, does not permit an outgoing server - like a POP3 apparently does. Therefore the rummage for a: Howcome?
So, no faults to TDS here!

...so maybe you can test something equal with your account and see if you can do anything with that.

Jooske,
Yes, I am indeed able to configure around the problem, as you have suggested. Yet, I was perplexed as to why I would be unable to have the "sleekest" solution - but, if it works, what the hey!



You have been most helpful. Thank you!
Cheers

[DolfTraanberg]

{QUOTE-> quoting: El Cid link=board=5;threadid=14848;start=30#msg96080 date=1067103778]
Dolf, My first task upon opening the TDS-3 box was configuration. After doing so, unbeknown to me, my current ISP (MSN) universal (default) setup, does not permit an outgoing server - like a POP3 apparently does. Therefore the rummage for a: Howcome?
<-QUOTE}
TDS wants to be able to send mail. The main usage for this is when you write a ss3 script where you want f.i. to be notified of certain events by e-mail. (I don't know of any other usage)
That's why TDS needs to know which smtp server to use.
So, if you use the same smtp server setting as you have in you e-mail client, it should be working.
Dolf

[Jooske]

It also alerts you for illegal intrusions (see sockets configuration top right) and you need a smtp server for the plugin with that name.
Not sure if you also use Outlook Express, which is what i do, and receive your emails inthere. I too have a hotmail account which should work exactly the same like MSN, so i configured it to receive the stuff in OE and so i can from OE also send emails, just using the full http: like you described, but without smtp. in front of it.
But copying the same line in the smtp plugin gives an "authoritive error" for which must be solutions too somewhere.

[La Vega]

Hello Dolf and Jooske,
Thanks again for your comments. Very much appreciated.

TDS wants to be able to send mail. The main usage for this is when you write a ss3 script where you want f.i. to be notified of certain events by e-mail. (I don't know of any other usage)
That's why TDS needs to know which smtp server to use.

Dolf - thought you might be interested in this comment from the help section of the configuration routine:
E-mail Setup:
"When TDS-3 detects a trojan, users can right select the file and be able to submit the file to us. TDS-3 does this by actually sending its own 'E-mail' to submit@diamondcs.com.au
This is done so that we can contact you about our findings of the file. So by entering your e-mail address and the e-mail server that you use to send e-mail with, TDS-3 will be able to submit the file through the e-mail server, and also using the e-mail address to place in the 'From' field."

I appreciate the additional comments related to the ss3 and sockets, (Jooske !) applications.
Cheers

[Jooske]

Now the only important thing is for you to get the smtp server working so you can actually submit the samples too!

[La Vega]

Yes,
and your much appreciated!

[DolfTraanberg]

{QUOTE-> quoting: El Cid link=board=5;threadid=14848;start=30#msg96544 date=1067273813]
When TDS-3 detects a trojan, users can right select the file and be able to submit the file to us. TDS-3 does this by actually sending its own 'E-mail' to submit@diamondcs.com.au
<-QUOTE}
Thanks, I missed that one :)
Dolf

[Jooske]

Keep us informed if and when and how you solved it, as it will help hundreds of other hotmail / msn users too!

Somebody else in a network where the smtp needed username/password authentification did this with success:
> I now have found a workaround. I just set up a lokal smtp server without authentication only for administration.<
With that all TDS emails were sent out without any problem. Now it is: how to do this? Maybe you know?

I told you i receive hotmail via the OE client and can send emails too from the client, without visiting the site.
Of course i tried with pasting the URL from the server in my smtp plugin, but no luck, same authentification problem. So the workaround if you figure out how to do so could be something.

[La Vega]

Yes,
I will keep you posted. I'll be gone through November and part of December, so no sleuthing possible till then.

DCS now does confirm that it only supports a POP3 Server. Remember, this is related only to the "configuration-servers tab-email setup-smtp server entry" - not necessarily to other/regular emailing possibilities between oneself and TDS. Therefore, as I posted earlier, when MSN unveils it's latest version, (November) it will, alledgedly, have the capability to run both HTTP hotmail, AND a 3rd party POP3 mail program. I'm going to try this track - which means, going out and finding a stable, and preferably lowcost/freeware POP3 email program to load up alongside MSN's hotmail program, (product suggestions, anyone?).
Cheers

[Jooske]

I load it all in my outlook express, my ISP has pop3 included in the whole service pack, while they also have webmail so i can access my mail all time from everywhere.
Not sure about other services around except for a few in the Netherlands (free ISPs)