Mozilla/Firebird webbrowsers?

[Comp01]

Okay, I've been wantng to switch to another webbrowser (To get away from internet explorer) but, I'm wondering how good firebird is? and if anyone has used it? is it worth getting?

[BWMerlin]

I have also been wondering this but i was also thinkinh about opera.

[meneer]

Dont'wait, move over. Both (Mozilla/Firebird and Opera) are great programs:
very fast and stable.
they used the tabbed design for even faster switching pages.
they have small download sizes.
At this moment I prefer MozillaFirebird because it's default settings allow more sites with Java and Flash to be visited without tweaking the browser. And it's free :)

[libbo1]

firebird is an awsome striped down 'lil hotrod'! I would rec. the new version 0.7, a pre release candidate (for windows). Download and unzip to program files. All u have to do is install flash (very easy).

[JayK]

Pre-release? no thanks

[libbo1]

as Firebird is a Beta program, they are all prereleases! U can choose .6 for .7. Or wait for 1.0 which will be awhile!

[JayK]

-{ Quote: " quoting: libbo1 link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=0#msg90038 date=1064582511]
as Firebird is a Beta program, they are all prereleases! U can choose .6 for .7. Or wait for 1.0 which will be awhile!
" }-

Well guess what? that's why I don't use Firebird !

[libbo1]

Where is the smite button, when you need one? :-X

[peakaboo]

-{ Quote: " quoting: JayK link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=0#msg90050 date=1064586680]
-{ Quote: " quoting: libbo1 link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=0#msg90038 date=1064582511]
as Firebird is a Beta program, they are all prereleases! U can choose .6 for .7. Or wait for 1.0 which will be awhile!
" }-

Well guess what? that's why I don't use Firebird !
" }-

I agree with JayK, until Firebird comes out with version 1.0 or greater, it will not see the light of day on this pc. Same issue with K-Meleon. No reason to volunteer as a beta tester when there are valid alternatives.

Since installing Opera, I now have no reason to try Firebird or K-Meleon except maybe curiousity (not enough of a reason).

I have not used IE since loading Opera.

I switched to Opera, and with the new release 7.2 this little hot rod is smokin. Very fast. Very stable. Any problems I had with version 7.11 have been resolved. Nice little feature: Middle mouse button config to open link in background tab is nice feature, also horiz & vertical scrolling on page with middle mouse click, tabbed browsing, popup control etc.

Opera tech team and development, if you take the time to research Browser alternatives, you will see their philosophy starts with security in mind.

See link below. Opera defeats all 10 IE exploits, no extra software needed. No need to keep up with those frequent IE security updates... LOL :)

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=11975

also see how responsive Opera is when security issues are found:

http://security.greymagic.com/news/

excerpt from old news dated Feb 4, 2003:

Opera once again lived up to its excellent response record and released version 7.01, only 5 days after initial notification. The new version appears to fix all of the reported issues. Upgrade as soon as possible.

latest version is 7.2

http://www.opera.com/

decide for yourself 8)

[deadmanschest]

-{ Quote: " quoting: meneer link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=0#msg90001 date=1064566525]
Dont'wait, move over. Both (Mozilla/Firebird and Opera) are great programs:
very fast and stable.
they used the tabbed design for even faster switching pages.
they have small download sizes.
At this moment I prefer MozillaFirebird because it's default settings allow more sites with Java and Flash to be visited without tweaking the browser. And it's free :)
" }-

To my mind, the latter issue leans the balance in favour of Firebird...and to my mind it is silly to argue or debate the merits of Opera 7.20 vs. Firebird 0.7+ - both are excellent alternatives to IE or any IE clones...

If you install Firebird w/o the installer it writes almost nothing to the Registry and can be dis-installed by simply deleting the folder. If you want less hassle with plug-ins (and Opera in any version is a hassle with plugins) then you can use the 'unofficial' Firebird installer....

As I say, the issue is not Opera vs Firebird, its either one as a perfectly good alternative to IE...(which I have just IERadicated again to my great satisfaction.....)

Get them both, don't be scared off by the <v.1.0 business, if you are reading these forums you can config and run
Firebird flawlessly....

dmc
:)

[Dan Perez]

I have to agree with dmc,

I have had absolutely no problem with Firebird including the sites that Opera seems to have trouble with. It is very easy to install and operate.

[peakaboo]

-{ Quote: " quoting: deadmanschest link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=0#msg90088 date=1064595799]
-{ Quote: " quoting: meneer link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=0#msg90001 date=1064566525]
Dont'wait, move over. Both (Mozilla/Firebird and Opera) are great programs:
very fast and stable.
they used the tabbed design for even faster switching pages.
they have small download sizes.
At this moment I prefer MozillaFirebird because it's default settings allow more sites with Java and Flash to be visited without tweaking the browser. And it's free :)
" }-

To my mind, the latter issue leans the balance in favour of Firebird...and to my mind it is silly to argue or debate the merits of Opera 7.20 vs. Firebird 0.7+ - both are excellent alternatives to IE or any IE clones...

As I say, the issue is not Opera vs Firebird, its either one as a perfectly good alternative to IE...(which I have just IERadicated again to my great satisfaction.....)

Get them both, don't be scared off by the <v.1.0 business, if you are reading these forums you can config and run
Firebird flawlessly....

dmc
:)
" }-

Both browsers are free, so this is a non issue, and should not tip the scale to Firebird. So you are wrong on this count.

If the 0.7 version is stable and ready to use why not release it out of beta? Probably a good reason, my guess is it's not ready to be released as a final.

Just as I would not load or try Opera 7.2b13 on this machine because it was a beta, I would not use Firebird 0.7. This is a personsal preference and not silly at all. The point I was making was unless you know it is a beta 0.anything is beta, it is not very obvious that you are beta testing, and it is not a final version.

If you don't mind being a beta tester however stable the release is then go for it. :)

[libbo1]

I believe the simple question posed by the author of this thread was about Firebird: has anyone used it and is it any good!

Yes
Yes

But no it is not the beta bogey man that will jump outta ur 'puter and knife u!!!

;D :o :-*


It may or may not be stable on your system (very very unlikely if ur system is less than 3 years old and min 256k ram). It surely wont hurt it. IMHO though is fun to go to each version in development, see and read about the bugs, participate in the reporting process etc... One learns a lot about script, editing files etc. This is not to say u have to do any of that though. You can download unzip and surf dude!!! You dont like it dump it as there are no regis. modifications or leftovers (like my ex-Norton friend)!!

And lastly, it will be the browser to beat!!! (again IMHO )

:)

[peakaboo]

-{ Quote: " quoting: libbo1 link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=0#msg90111 date=1064601330]
But no it is not the beta bogey man that will jump outta ur 'puter and knife u!!!
" }-

no matter how you slice it beta is beta...

individual choice to use beta version as long as one is informed... 8)

[solarpowered candle]

Firebird here and loving it . Far better for me than IE and also opera)
Regarding beta and non beta we could look back at windows and say thast it was beta and still is . I dont think that that is a good put down regarding Mozilla-firebird . Mozilla 1.4 is excellent also .
Some more thoughts from the neighbours http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8045381~root=security,1~mode=flat;start=0

[pin]

i'm an opera user but i have used firebird in the past before and it was pretty good. i hear it has only gotten better. and i agree: ANYTHING but IE ;)

[peakaboo]

-{ Quote: " quoting: solarpowered candle link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=0#msg90138 date=1064609643]
Firebird here and loving it . Far better for me than IE and also opera)
Regarding beta and non beta we could look back at windows and say thast it was beta and still is . I dont think that that is a good put down regarding Mozilla-firebird . Mozilla 1.4 is excellent also .
Some more thoughts from the neighbours http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8045381~root=security,1~mode=flat;start=0
" }-

Do you make any secured transactions with Firebird?

If so are you aware of any security concerns with this browser.

more opinions:

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum21/5818.htm

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum21/5909.htm

[the Tester]

I use both Opera 7.20 b13(I haven't downloaded the final yet)and Firebird 0.6.1 milestone.

I have had some Firebird nightlies that crashed.
They didn't harm my computer.

The milestone release is the better bet if you want Firebird.Milestones have been stable for me.
But the point about Firebird being a "beta" is hard to argue/disagree with.It is still being developed.

I don't think that there really is a "wrong" choice.
If you're not comfortable with Firebird,you may like the Opera 7.20 final. ;)
If I had to pick one over the other...
Firebird.

[libbo1]

Do you make any secured transactions with Firebird?
If so are you aware of any security concerns with this browser?

Yes

No not yet. Check the forums. This is a issue that is discussed but as of yet i have not heard anyone post a problem

http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php

[peakaboo]

I ran across this bug tracker for those interested:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=mozilla-firebird

not much there in terms of serious bugs that I can tell.

[libbo1]

yea the basic browser werks well. Most of the complaints are the skins (they call it chrome), and other extensions. I just want a spellchecker like iespell!!!!

[deadmanschest]

-{ Quote: " quoting: peakaboo link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=0#msg90100 date=1064599083]
Both browsers are free, so this is a non issue, and should not tip the scale to Firebird. So you are wrong on this count.
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hi peakaboo - I didn't say ( or intend it to be taken) that 'you were silly' I said, or intended to infer, that the debate in the context of the question asked was silly....

So you should'nt proceed to state with such conviction that 'I am wrong'. In fact, the 'free-ness' is a non-issue, which is why the 'latter issue' I meant was the extent to which Opera is still incompatible with many sites and especially so with those utilizing Flash and Shockwave....

Apologizes if you felt upset, not the intent of my comments at all....

Cheers

dmc

:)

[spydespiser]

Just this minute finished changing over to Opera 7.1(aint got time for download, my old browser held me up looonng enough!) and from just 10 minutes i know what MS can do with IE ;D

Might send my copy of IE to Mr Blaze to find a good home for cause i know he just lurvs M/soft, ;D ;D ;D

[peakaboo]

-{ Quote: " quoting: deadmanschest link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=15#msg90200 date=1064625097]

hi peakaboo - I didn't say ( or intend it to be taken) that 'you were silly' I said, or intended to infer, that the debate in the context of the question asked was silly....

So you should'nt proceed to state with such conviction that 'I am wrong'. In fact, the 'free-ness' is a non-issue, which is why the 'latter issue' I meant was the extent to which Opera is still incompatible with many sites and especially so with those utilizing Flash and Shockwave....

Apologizes if you felt upset, not the intent of my comments at all....

Cheers

dmc

:)
" }-

dmc,

no worries M8.

not upset just clarifying the record as I read your post.

e.g. this is what was quoted:
-{ Quote: "
At this moment I prefer MozillaFirebird because it's default settings allow more sites with Java and Flash to be visited without tweaking the browser. And it's free
" }-

In your response you indicated 2 issues when you invoked the term "latter"

If you meant former, and posted latter, you can understand how one would misinterpret (from your viewpoint) since only you knew what you meant vs. what you posted. I responded to what you wrote not what you were thinking. :)

If you can post some of those difficult rendering Java/flash sites you mentioned, I would like to see 1 or 2, so far I have not encountered this issue.

Also a little off topic, and maybe this would be better for a vulnerabilities page, but I ran across this page at computer cops:

http://www.computercops.biz/postt5891.html

would be curious how firebird does against walla...

don't try it if you have any concerns

p.s. from Alan Greenspan "if you understand what I said, I misspoke..." 8)

I think we are on the same page and can agree on advocating alternatives to IE. Whether it's Firebird, Kameleon, Opera, etc... is a personal preference.

[BWMerlin]

Well i think ill give firebird a try, there is only one problem. I dont have a link to dl it from. Could someone plz post the link.

[libbo1]

http://texturizer.net/firebird/download.html

and

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=26838

I wud rec the 2nd url. The official 0.7 just released and I would download and unzip. All u will have to do is install flash. Easy (put it in the plugin file), Call if u need help

[peakaboo]

-{ Quote: " quoting: spydespiser link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=15#msg90217 date=1064630739]
Just this minute finished changing over to Opera 7.1(aint got time for download, my old browser held me up looonng enough!) and from just 10 minutes i know what MS can do with IE ;D

Might send my copy of IE to Mr Blaze to find a good home for cause i know he just lurvs M/soft, ;D ;D ;D
" }-

spydespiser,

I hope you meant the latest version Opera 7.2.

This new version is smokin, greased lightning... 8)

[spydespiser]

Sorry it took so long 8)

Hi peakaboo

-{ Quote: "spydespiser,
I hope you meant the latest version Opera 7.2.
This new version is smokin, greased lightning... * " }-

I wasnt sure if download took or not as i,ve had this copy since well before getting on net!

just been back and tried again using old browser which was way sllooowwer! and as its slower i actually get a second to see a message stating connection too slow or system not optimised or something, but i should have B/Band modem "finally" delivered in couple of days so i can wait till then 8) (i'll have to!) 8)

But like i said in another editted thread somewhere, compared to that C**p AOL palmed me off with, even this v7.0.2 is grease lightning on my 56k, so if yours is even faster when it modem i think i'll call fire brigade before hooking up! ;D

Best R
SpyD

[JayK]

-{ Quote: " quoting: solarpowered candle link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=0#msg90138 date=1064609643]

Regarding beta and non beta we could look back at windows and say thast it was beta and still is . I dont think that that is a good put down regarding Mozilla-firebird . Mozilla 1.4 is excellent also .
" }-

As Yoda said " No, there is another ......"

Mozilla 1.4 seems to be a better choice then FB currently seriously.

[JayK]

-{ Quote: " quoting: libbo1 link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=0#msg90062 date=1064588826]
Where is the smite button, when you need one? :-X
" }-

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[libbo1]

Just copied and pasted from your signature :P

[libbo1]

A little help for those that download Firebird (I rec the newly released 0.7 official) zip.

First a quick explanation. As all of these versions are beta there is not a official installer. There are dl versions that come with and unofficial installer. The only benefit is that it will handle the registry entries which isnt necessary for this browser to work.

Unzip your version choice anywhere in the directory u like. Most ppl naturally go to program files. I have 2 versions, one in program files and one in my docs. Once u start browsing, u will quickly run into a page needing flash. Click on the icon u see and presto!

But here is the catch. If u didnt not use the installer, flash will not see the path to FB. Browse to it>>>attachment.

Enable all of the Java settings and u are ready to go. And like many apps, your profile is stored separately in application data, so when U upgrade or when the official non beta is released, all of your bookmarks etc are there. And dont worry u can access all of your ie bookmarks too!

From here its all window dressing. About 20 or so skins to choose from and over 100 extensions!

[Bethrezen]

Hi all

Been using the firebird nightly for a few weeks now and I have to say apart from a few minor annoying glitches they have worked flawlessly

Have I used fb YES
Is FB any good Yes
Does FB have any problems Yes/No

Its a work in progress but even at this early stage of development I have to say its way better then IE my only concern is that there is no way to log in to windows update as FB don't support active x which is a good thing IMO but other than minor glitches every thing seems to work ok for me here

My only real gripes with this right now are small minor things like not having a spell checker and not being able to save interrupted downloads like ya would with a download accelerator and just minor miscellaneous bugs and glitches that crop up now and then guess that's to be expected though it is a work in progress

Even though it’s a work in progress if ya want an alternative to IE id highly recommend this

[Rickster]

I am curious about the security of the alternate browsers. I’m sure they’re fine but wondered if some of the alternate users could take this test and let me know the results. It requires a first party cookie and scripting enabled to test (which I know doesn’t set well with some) but after checking, the site is safe. Proxo users have to bypass to test (same scripting reason). I use IE 6.

http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/

[Bethrezen]

hi

i ran the test you requested for firebird heres what it said at the end

Browser Security Test Results

Dear Customer,

The Browser Security Test is finished. Please find the results below:
High Risk Vulnerabilities***0
Medium Risk Vulnerabilities***0
Low Risk Vulnerabilities***0

New bugs keep coming! Sign up for announcements of new tests.

Questions about the test? Read the FAQ.

Still having questions? Send us your feedback.

Want to know how everyone else is doing on Browser Test? Check our statistics.

[libbo1]

same here!

[solarpowered candle]

echo :)

[peakaboo]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Rickster link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=30#msg90367 date=1064703778]
I am curious about the security of the alternate browsers. I’m sure they’re fine but wondered if some of the alternate users could take this test and let me know the results. It requires a first party cookie and scripting enabled to test (which I know doesn’t set well with some) but after checking, the site is safe. Proxo users have to bypass to test (same scripting reason). I use IE 6.

http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/


" }-

Opera 7.2 here.

I ran the test earlier as part of my update here:

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=11975

I'm 12 for 12 + passed the Browser security test for the above link - vote would be option 4 =I defeated initial exploits and addendum 1 & 2 vulnerabilities

I ran it for my specific browser with proxo off.

it ran 6 tests as I recall

High Risk Vulnerabilities 0
Medium Risk Vulnerabilities 0
Low Risk Vulnerabilities 0

also last night I ran all 30 against Opera but I had proxo on - result no problems/vulnerabilities

hth 8)

[BWMerlin]

-{ Quote: " quoting: libbo1 link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=30#msg90314 date=1064672030]
But here is the catch. If u didnt not use the installer, flash will not see the path to FB. Browse to it>>>attachment.
" }-
I dont understand this bit, can u explan this a bit better plz. I will be getting firebird in three days time when my net clicks over and carnt wait to test it out.

[crockett]

Hi guys and girls :)

What a surprise ! I thought everybody on the Net had dropped Internet Explorer a long time ago. Some bad habits are hard to break, aren't they ? :D

But I like the fact that some people are still so passionate about browsers and eager to get to know which one is gonna meet their own needs as closely as possible.

I 've been reading all posts in this thread and I have to agree with several issues, i.e.:

Opera and Mozilla and Firebird are the most logical alternatives to Explorer.

Since my machine is an old and weak and outdated one, for the past two years I've been looking for the most reliable, fast, stable and low-consuming softwares to be found on the web, not to mention that they had to be freeware.

Mozilla is great, but too CPU consuming on my pc. This says nothing as regards other users or other pc's.

Firebird I love very much, although I find my system kind of struggling too when having to process it, e.g. loading the bird.

Mozilla and Firebird are somewhat not as fast as Opera, either to surf or to access some of the browser's navigating features (for example Opera has [among other things] the F12 - Quick Preferences Option which enables you to access all the Java, JavaScript, Cookies, Proxy, etc. - enabling/disabling features).

Wonderful features to manage cookies both in Mozilla and Firebird. Opera has a nice capacity to manage cookies, but Mozilla and Firebird are best in this particular regard.

But Opera also has this wonderful 'Mouse Gestures' option which enables you to pilot your surfing much more freely than any other browser I ever came accross (I have to say that I spend most of my time on the web testing firewalls and comparing browsers).

Opera 7.20 still the fastest, most explicit (for example as regards the security level of the pages you load on a secure connection) and most stable option to me - again on my own pc, with my own surfing interests.

But again I must say - Mozilla, Firebird, Opera, all extremely viable alternatives to any other browser on the market, even though I personnally consider Opera to be THE best.

In fact, I don't understand why these three browsers are still being labeled 'alternative to IE'...

To my mind, today Internet Explorer IS only a pale alternative to Mozilla, Firebird and (first and foremost) Opera.

Rgds,
Crockett 8)

[libbo1]

I guess its hard to follow till u have been there. Read their forums > link posted above > in particular the Firebird Builds.

Doubt U will have too much trouble if you have done some unzipping before. Once you get started post bak with specifics and I will help

[the Tester]

I installed Opera 7.20 final.
I think that they have improved page rendering.
It's fast as always,but Firebird isn't noticably slower for me.
I'm waiting for Firebird 0.7 to go final release.
I may even try Thunderbird.
It's do that or use Opera for POP mail.

Hey Crockett,nice post!

[libbo1]

the 0.7 was offficially released yesterday! (or the day before) Its still a beta but now the nightlies will be based on that.

[libbo1]

As far as a privacy eraser, see attached. The nice feature 'bout FB, all u get is the browser with a default skin and Java rte! Lean mean fightin machine. From there u customize!!

ps i promise i aint gettin no $ from da MOZ!

[crockett]

-{ Quote: " quoting: the Tester link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=30#msg90494 date=1064766033]
I installed Opera 7.20 final.
I think that they have improved page rendering.
It's fast as always,but Firebird isn't noticably slower for me.
I'm waiting for Firebird 0.7 to go final release.
I may even try Thunderbird.
It's do that or use Opera for POP mail.

Hey Crockett,nice post!
" }-

Hi Tester... Thanks :)

How 're you doing ?!

Gonna try FB 0.7 as soon as released...

See you,

Crockett 8)

[crockett]

-{ Quote: " quoting: libbo1 link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=30#msg90506 date=1064767988]
the 0.7 was offficially released yesterday! (or the day before) Its still a beta but now the nightlies will be based on that.
" }-

Hi libbo1 :)

Could you give us a link to the Firebird 0.7 for Windows ? Couldn't find it on the Firebird site ?!

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[peakaboo]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Crockett link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=30#msg90436 date=1064751820]
Hi guys and girls :)

What a surprise ! I thought everybody on the Net had dropped Internet Explorer a long time ago. Some bad habits are hard to break, aren't they ? :D

But I like the fact that some people are still so passionate about browsers and eager to get to know which one is gonna meet their own needs as closely as possible.

I 've been reading all posts in this thread and I have to agree with several issues, i.e.:

Opera and Mozilla and Firebird are the most logical alternatives to Explorer.

Since my machine is an old and weak and outdated one, for the past two years I've been looking for the most reliable, fast, stable and low-consuming softwares to be found on the web, not to mention that they had to be freeware.

Mozilla is great, but too CPU consuming on my pc. This says nothing as regards other users or other pc's.

Firebird I love very much, although I find my system kind of struggling too when having to process it, e.g. loading the bird.

Mozilla and Firebird are somewhat not as fast as Opera, either to surf or to access some of the browser's navigating features (for example Opera has [among other things] the F12 - Quick Preferences Option which enables you to access all the Java, JavaScript, Cookies, Proxy, etc. - enabling/disabling features).

Wonderful features to manage cookies both in Mozilla and Firebird. Opera has a nice capacity to manage cookies, but Mozilla and Firebird are best in this particular regard.

But Opera also has this wonderful 'Mouse Gestures' option which enables you to pilot your surfing much more freely than any other browser I ever came accross (I have to say that I spend most of my time on the web testing firewalls and comparing browsers).

Opera 7.20 still the fastest, most explicit (for example as regards the security level of the pages you load on a secure connection) and most stable option to me - again on my own pc, with my own surfing interests.

But again I must say - Mozilla, Firebird, Opera, all extremely viable alternatives to any other browser on the market, even though I personnally consider Opera to be THE best.

In fact, I don't understand why these three browsers are still being labeled 'alternative to IE'...

To my mind, today Internet Explorer IS only a pale alternative to Mozilla, Firebird and (first and foremost) Opera.

Rgds,
Crockett 8)
" }-

Appreciate your assessment Crockett.

Bottom line is your conclusion. IE is dead. I have not touched it or wanted to touch it since I first started testing Opera.

I have not tried Firebird, once it gets out of beta, I may give it a whirl, but Firebird would have to be a huge improvement in the way of page rendering, speed and resource utilization (& CPU load) to induce me to switch from Opera. 8)

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To: The Tester

also appreciate your comments. You are correct from my perspective, the latest final release Opera 7.2 is a huge improvement over Opera 7.11.

Page rendering is much improved (images are loading lickety split for me now).

very fast!

nice features.

my next goal is to tackle email using Opera (should not be that bad just need to understand and follow instructions when I get some time)

[the Tester]

Doing good here Crockett.
How bout yourself?

I think I'll wait a bit for Firebird 0.7 too.
0.6.1 is running real smooth so I'm not in a hurry. ;)

Peakaboo.
If you are using OE for email,let me know how Opera works for you?
It seems easy enough,but I haven't been able to get all my email from my OE account yet.
I know that Moz shows 6 more emails that are older.

[libbo1]

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firebird/nightly/latest-0.7/

the zip file is the one ur lookin fer!

[deadmanschest]

:) Hi all; something that peakaboo mentioned made me think of the main thing that keeps Opera as my default browser vis-a-vis Firebird, and thats the integrated super-fast email client.

I somewhat preferred the simple SMTP emailer in Opera 6 because all I usually want to do is hit 'Send Link' from a web page and get an instantaneous response. I don't want it as my main system email client.

I don't tend to keep applications open unless they're in use, so waiting for an email prog to open, even a fast one like Pegasus seems a pain. The Opera 6 SMTP mailer was one click to instantly open the new link mail, and one click to send. Great.

One curious omission is that there is no hotkey that I know of that will "Send Link" in Opera 6 or 7......?

dmc

[peakaboo]

-{ Quote: " quoting: deadmanschest link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=45#msg90583 date=1064794583]
:) Hi all; something that peakaboo mentioned made me think of the main thing that keeps Opera as my default browser vis-a-vis Firebird, and thats the integrated super-fast email client.

I somewhat preferred the simple SMTP emailer in Opera 6 because all I usually want to do is hit 'Send Link' from a web page and get an instantaneous response. I don't want it as my main system email client.

I don't tend to keep applications open unless they're in use, so waiting for an email prog to open, even a fast one like Pegasus seems a pain. The Opera 6 SMTP mailer was one click to instantly open the new link mail, and one click to send. Great.

One curious omission is that there is no hotkey that I know of that will "Send Link" in Opera 6 or 7......?

dmc
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dmc,

You make a good point, it's all about functionality, what might be right for you may not be good for the next person. Beauty part is these browsers are so small & easy to load and test, when you find one ya like, you can still look at competition and switch (or not)

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ideas re: email link...

I haven't gotten to the email feature in Opera so I'm certainly no expert, two ideas which you may already know about regarding sending a link:

1) In Opera 7.2 you can right click a link, point to page, then select send link by email.

2) also, seems like you should be able to go into preferences and customize --->> "keyboard setup" , but again I am a relatively inexperienced concerning this.

I really like the balanced view Crockett gave on the alternative IE killer browsers.

[crockett]

-{ Quote: " quoting: libbo1 link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=45#msg90555 date=1064779019]
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firebird/nightly/latest-0.7/

the zip file is the one ur lookin fer!
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Hi libbo1 :)

Thanks for the link...

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[deadmanschest]

-{ Quote: " quoting: peakaboo link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=45#msg90598 date=1064799999]

1) In Opera 7.2 you can right click a link, point to page, then select send link by email.

2) also, seems like you should be able to go into preferences and customize --->> "keyboard setup" , but again I am a relatively inexperienced concerning this.

" }- :)

Hehe - thanks peakaboo - I was unaware of the 'Page' context-sub-menu, quite useful, and have not delved into the 'Keyboard options setup' at all. Good catch...

I also note that you can send a link to the current browser window address by bringing focus to the Mail menu and then simply hitting key 's' and then key 'e'...hehe problem is I forget how to get focus onto the top file menu - I think maybe the current skin I have on (Bugs) is not supporting some standard windows keys..but I actually forget...

Thanks for the hotkeys hints...

dmc :)

[crockett]

Hello ;)

FIrebird 0.6 and Phoenix 0.5 seem to display some information when Javascripts are activated.

I connected from here to the site
http://www.leader.ru/secure/who.html
and the results page displays under 'Javascript' the number of sites visited and the fact that I just left www.wilderssecurity.com/

So, despite all my being interested in those two browsers, I have to admit that - for the time being - they disclose too much infos through the JVScript mechanisms. Still some work to do by Mozilla's development team.

BTW, Firebird 0.6 should permit drag-and-drop from address-toolbar to bookmarks-toolbar, but... it simply doesn't work, although it works perfectly fine when applied with Phoenix 0.5.

Also, the same Firebird bookmarks just disappear each time you close the browser, so the import work will have to be done all over again next time, which is a rather annoying bug to say the least. No such problem exists in Phoenix 0.5 though.

To sum up, Firebird great browser still to be improved. Having said that, new versions come out very quickly, so all this stuff just seems a matter of (a short) time to me.

Phoenix 0.5 to be chosen for the time being, but should be used with Javascript disabled if you don't like to disclose the site you just come from.

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[peakaboo]

-{ Quote: " quoting: deadmanschest link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=45#msg91046 date=1064968996]
-{ Quote: " quoting: peakaboo link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=45#msg90598 date=1064799999]

1) In Opera 7.2 you can right click a link, point to page, then select send link by email.

2) also, seems like you should be able to go into preferences and customize --->> "keyboard setup" , but again I am a relatively inexperienced concerning this.

" }- :)

Hehe - thanks peakaboo - I was unaware of the 'Page' context-sub-menu, quite useful, and have not delved into the 'Keyboard options setup' at all. Good catch...

I also note that you can send a link to the current browser window address by bringing focus to the Mail menu and then simply hitting key 's' and then key 'e'...hehe problem is I forget how to get focus onto the top file menu - I think maybe the current skin I have on (Bugs) is not supporting some standard windows keys..but I actually forget...

Thanks for the hotkeys hints...

dmc :)
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You are welcome dmc.

I ran across this a few minutes ago and thought of you.

Been playing with Opera's mail client M2 a bit - very nice.

Anyway, if you are using Opera 7.2 and u run across an interesting page & you want to send a link, here is another way:

1) hit F4 or your hot list icon

2) under the mail heading you should see check, send, & compose icons (if u don't you can always customize)

note once you select mail heading Opera remembers this for subsequent visits (saves whatever you were on last)

3) press send, click on send link & voilla

(if your pop3 account is already set up like mine is, the link for the page you are interested in is put into the body of the email. All you have to do is determine who you want to send it to (pretty easy to) and press send)

very impressive :) and very cool 8)

[libbo1]

Crockett;

try FB 0.7. Those bugs u report have supposedly been fixed . . at least I dont see the same problems. And if you havent already done so, d/l TBE (extension), recently upgraded (2OCT03) and a very neat option. It also supports drag-n-drop of bookmarks!

[crockett]

-{ Quote: " quoting: libbo1 link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=45#msg91834 date=1065357481]
try FB 0.7. Those bugs u report have supposedly been fixed . . at least I dont see the same problems. And if you havent already done so, d/l TBE (extension), recently upgraded (2OCT03) and a very neat option. It also supports drag-n-drop of bookmarks!
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Hi :)

Dwlded and installed 0.7. Same drag-and-drop to bookmarks-toolbar inability.

Also, still can't import Bookmarks unless some bookmark already present in file. [After fresh install, I have to 'manage bookmarks', 'add' "about blank" , and only after that am I able to use the 'import' option.] Nothing fixed in these regards compared to 0.6x. :(

Display of pages WORSE under 0.7 than 0.6x !

Tried to dwld TBE yesterday under 0.6x and freezed my system, did not dare to try again with 0.7. Also, I don't like the online-dwld-and-install procedure used to install extensions. I'd rather have the extensions dwlded and then installed offline should I decide to proceed.

Can't see any improvement justifying Phoenix 0.5 not the leader anymore in birds family. None of the above-mentioned bugs were present in Ph 0.5. ???

All in all, disappointed ever since Ph turned into Fb. Will wait 'till next (improved ?!) version and try again later, though...

Gonna stick exclusively to Opera 7.20 and [Phoenix 0.5/JVScripts disabled] for the time being.

Would you be kind enough to keep me up to date if you're aware of new versions before I am ?!

Thunderbird :) still a very good surprise to me anyway http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=14408

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[libbo1]

drag and drop workrd fine for me. I drag the little yellow circle to the word bookmarks and presto! See pic! The 104 available extensions are 'made' by individual nerds and dweebs, dudes much smarter than me. Thus fer now, the direct download is the only way to get them (got a tip on this though).

Many use an older version as their 'repository" From it they copy and paste the files, extensions, flash ect to the new d/l version. I usually d/l new stuff to the older version as a test (to see if it works or just to have it for later use).

I find this stuff fun and educational. Many dont and want 'plug and play'! Its great to have choices other than IE6. Dont get me too wrong though. MS has brought 'us' alot. I could put up with the security holes by pluggin them, etc but the straw that broke etc . . . was SLOW and INCOMPLETE page rendering. Now those smarties in the FB forum argue over whose page loads fastest by tenths of seconds!!! I' m happy with ave load time of 0.4 secs!!!

Sure ill let u know 'bout next upgrade.

[bellgamin]

A) Stop winking at me -- you're making me nervous.

B) Here is the URL for an extremely stable, full-featured, free [NO ads], gecko-based browser...

Beonex (http://www.beonex.com/communicator/)

C) Here is the URL for a Skinny/Modular Netscape 7+

Diet-Rite Netscape (http://www.sillydog.org/narchive/sd/71.html)

D) Here is the URL for browser-junkies...

Browser chop suey (http://wantdbest.com/freebies/browsers.html)

E) All of my kids/grandkids/great-grandkids arrived in beta status. They are just fine. So is Firebird! 8)

peace unto all......bellgamin

[BWMerlin]

I just dl firebird and it snaps. It is so fast i dont think ill ever go back to IE. Is there anything i need to do or get for it to run proberly (i heard that i need to get flash or something). This is the best browser ever.

[Comp01]

Hmm, I'm gonna download firbird now, But, whats better, the unoffical installer, OR the .zip file? (I'm downloading the zip file right now, because I dont feel like installing anything, at the moment)

[Comp01]

Hmm, Nevermind ... I'm using it right now, I actually, like it better then internet explorer, its WAY better, now the thing that'll make it sweeter is when/if Javacool makes his software work with it :P

[libbo1]

for BW:

about the only thing u will need is flash. U will run into the need as u surf. Follow the instructions. If u have any probs post bak,

U can check out the skins (themes). And of the 104 FB extensions I wud get the TBE for tabbed browsing . . . one window with multiple browsers!

[Comp01]

Hmm, I did however notic, it put some folders in C:\Windows\Application Data\ er, I guess thats where it stores its cached files, etc? also, how many entries does it add to the registry? and does the "Clear all" button, really clear all the usage data, etc?

[crockett]

-{ Quote: " quoting: bellgamin link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=45#msg91958 date=1065410718]
Here is the URL for an extremely stable, full-featured, free [NO ads], gecko-based browser...

Beonex (http://www.beonex.com/communicator/)
peace unto all......bellgamin
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Hi Bellgamin :)

I just tried Beonex... Man - that's a pretty good one !

I enabled JavaScripts and re-did the test I described in http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=14249;start=msg91189#msg91189

Now the test site ain't able to know I'm connecting from wilderssecurity !

Very nice... Thanks for the good idea.

Do you know if updated versions of this browser are gonna come up, or is it abandonware ?!

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[bellgamin]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Crockett link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=60#msg92078 date=1065482749]Hi Bellgamin :)

I just tried Beonex... Man - that's a pretty good one !

I enabled JavaScripts and re-did the test I described in http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=14249;start=msg91189#msg91189

Now the test site ain't able to know I'm connecting from wilderssecurity !

Very nice... Thanks for the good idea.

Do you know if updated versions of this browser are gonna come up, or is it abandonware ?!

Rgds, Crockett 8)
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It is far from abandoned. It is actively maintained by Ben Bucksch. You might want to sign up for the Users mailing List at...
HERE (http://www.beonex.com/communicator/support/private/)

[Comp01]

Hmm, Firebird just said I needed shockwave player to do something online with it, I downloaded the installer it linked to, should I install it? (Is Shockwave player spyware?)

[libbo1]

nope it's not spyware and yes i wud douwnoad and install it.

[BWMerlin]

U may also have to dl and install java. The instructions r a little unclear (well at lest they were 4 me). I merged the reg file first then dl the installer one and everything seems to wroke.

[bellgamin]

By the way -- as far as I know, FB 0.7 milestone had not been released as of 0000 hours zulu, 10/08/03. It is a test version of 0.7 that has been released, not the milestone version.

When the milestone is released, that fact will be reflected at...
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/
and
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firebird/

whatevahs........bell

[BWMerlin]

Whats the milestone version and how is it differnt.

[bellgamin]

-{ Quote: " quoting: BWMerlin link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=60#msg92286 date=1065601978]
Whats the milestone version and how is it differnt.
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The present 0.7 is a *nightly.* There are nightlies, optimums, & milestones [to name a few categories]...

A) Nightlies are on the *burning edge* of Firebird development. That is, they are for adventurous souls who are not only willing to be beta testers, but actually relish their roles in suffering through bugs & thereby helping FB to be improved. Check it...
http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/

B) Optimums are nightlies that have been upgraded/modified [by pioneering, independent folks] so as to work well with a specific environment [such as with aa particular athlon chip]. One of the best of these puioneers is aebrahim...
http://pryan.org/firebird/aebrahim/

C) Milestones are *anointed* by the Mozilla team itself -- as being stable enough for the non-geek users [such as myself] who want a good, NON-Microsoft browser, but dislike having to deal with lots of bugs. To wit...
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/

And there you have it. But then, I have no idea of what I'm talking about. [In the land of the blind, the 1-eyed man is king.]

[libbo1]

very very nice explanation!

If humility comes with age (just by ur avatar!!) I have a lot to look forward to!

ps all of those builds can be found in one place @

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=23

[LowWaterMark]

-{ Quote: " quoting: libbo1 link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=60#msg92315 date=1065614169]very very nice explanation!" }-

Agreed! Thank you Bellgamin!

[JayK]

I'm not really impressed by the 0.61 Build of FB. Too "barebones" for me (unless you enjoy hours tweaking it, downloading extensions). Mozilla 1.41 and Opera 7.2 appear to be better for now.

[crockett]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Crockett link=board=9;threadid=14249;start=30#msg90436 date=1064751820]
Wonderful features to manage cookies both in Mozilla and Firebird. Opera has a nice capacity to manage cookies, but Mozilla and Firebird are best in this particular regard.

Opera 7.20 still the fastest, most explicit (for example as regards the security level of the pages you load on a secure connection) and most stable option to me - again on my own pc, with my own surfing interests.

Crockett 8)
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Hi everyone...

These few words to let you know I changed my mind about some of the few above-quoted lines I wrote earlier in this thread.

The Opera cookie-management features I clearly underestimated, as can be seen and understood by reading my updated point of vue in this regard in http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=14890

On the other hand, as far as the display of security levels when accessing encrypted pages is concerned, I now realize the Mozilla-family browsers are much clearer and detailed than Opera. Please see the following screenshots to get some illustration...

All three screenshots are taken from Mozilla's Phoenix 0.5 webbrowser when accessing ZipLip.com

First screenshot on 'general' page infos...

[crockett]

Again, similar screenshots I simply couldn't find in Opera... If I'm wrong and anyone can show me how to access the same kind of display in Opera, please feel free to PM me.

Second screenshot shows display of more security-specific infos...

[crockett]

The last one relates to the Phoenix 0.5's 'certificate viewer'...

Of course, this ABSOLUTELY does NOT mean that Opera is less secure than the Moz' family, but simply that the display and viewing of security levels during surfing is easier on the Moz' squad.

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[Bethrezen]

Hi all

Well I been using fire bird nightly builds and even through there only test models for the upcoming update I have never run in to any serious problems few minor annoying glitches maybe

Like display troubles pages not loading right buttons now working unable to change setting and have them stay stuff like that but like I said that's nothing but minor stuff all I do is just report it at the forum and usually by the next nightly its fixed but not always depends on whether its just a minor mistake coz the coder wasn't paying attention or just hit the wrong key or if its something meagrely wrong that requires a lot of work

Also in all my time using firebird nightly builds iv only ever had it crash twice and by crash I mean talk back switches on to send an error report to the firebird team and this is with nightly builds so I think that bodes quite well for the milestone build

my advice to everyone is if your are looking for a IE replacement take a look at firebird you wont be disappointed and if ya don't like the way something looks just edit the user.js user userChrome.css or the userContent.css I got no programming knowledge and even I maged to manipulate the way the browser looks and functions till I got it to my needs

if ya need help doing this just install the ChromEdit extension and if ya still not sure what ya doing that's ok just ask at the forum i'm sure people there can tell ya what ya need to input to get the desired tweak working how do ya think I did it he he ;D

Blessed be