PC-cillin Internet Security 2007 Beta Program [Archive]

midway40

July 24th, 2006, 09:31 PM

I installed it an hour ago here on my computer. I had a problem at first where it stated that it could not create the folder for the installation files. Then I noticed it was trying to create a folder "./XXXXXXXX". I just replaced the ./ with C:/ and it moved on.

I just tested the firewall on Shield's Up and it shows True Stealth and no Reverse DNS (I can only recall seeing the latter with Windows Firewall before). On past PCC's I always had to create a rule for Port 135 which was reported as not stealthed (closed).

I have everything on except wireless and data theft and TMProxy is showing about 74,000. I have to admit this is kind of high as I remember it being 45-50 on past PCC's. EDIT: However, like past releases, I have not observed any performance degradation.

What I did not expect however was the large first update. It is over 20MB and I am on dial-up. As soon as it finishes I will be performing the tests as per the Beta Test Script and report my findings and observations (want to hurry and get it in because I haven't had to pay for PCC since '04, lol).

midway40

July 24th, 2006, 11:56 PM

Finally got that big update downloaded and installed. Some program modules were apparently updated which accounted for the size of the update. A nice touch was that when it updated the firewall it informed me it needed to turn the firewall off during it's update and asked me if I wanted to turn Windows Firewall on temporarily until the install was finished.

Scanned both of my drives (total 22GB used) in 30 mins and found a couple of spyware--ABetterInternet and Apropos. I also sent my completed script in.

Looks like I will be chillin' with the 'Cillin for a while ;D

Graystoke

July 25th, 2006, 05:27 PM

First let me say that I have a one year subscription to Trend Micro IS 2006 that is coming due October, 2006.

I decided to check out the new TMIS 2007 today. Install went without a problem. Had a big update, restarted, configured it the way I wanted. Ran a full system scan, and then a full spyware scan. Tested it at eicar.com. It caught everything. No loss in browing speed. At this point, I'm very happy with it.

I opened the beta testscript to check out what I had to do. Not really in the mood to answer a bunch of questions at that time, I decided to do it later. This is where things get really good. I opened TMIS 2007 again just to double check things. Just for the heck of it, I clicked on Renew Now in the Subscription section. I just wanted to see if my license key would work. I put in my TMIS 2006 license key, clicked on Register now, filled in the registration form, and waited. To my surprise, and I do mean I am surprised, I see that my subsription has been extended to July 25, 2007. I'm still having a rough time believing this. If this is not a mistake on their end, this is great PR for Trend Micro. Not too sure if any other AV company would do this. I am a very happy TMIS 2007 user right now. ;D ;D

midway40

July 25th, 2006, 11:14 PM

Wow, that is a surprise! Unfortunately I lost my key some months ago because of stupidity (always write those keys down!) and I have been using Avast temporarily until this new Beta came out. Otherwise I would like to try that trick out too. I am leaning toward it being a mistake though because I was given new (different from the beta) keys as a participation gift on every beta since '04. But you never know, as someone once said over on the Neowin board “The Trend is your friend!” lol

Just some more observations. This is the first time I have ever noticed the absence of “Beta” in the window title name. Before I came online this evening, I got a red pop-up warning about PCC finding a spyware (one of those A#####.exe files that are hidden in the system restore files) and this was done realtime, without manual or automated scanning. As mrhero mentioned earlier this PCC has much improved heuristics which has been a weakness for TM until now. I decided then that I didn't need Windows Defender anymore and uninstalled it to save some RAM (I still have AdAware, Spybot and Spywareblaster for backups).

It also appears that they have integrated their separate Anti-Spam program that used to be only for Outlook but now works for OE as well. I believe that is what the TMAS_OE.exe and TMAS_ OE Mon.exe processes are for.

Only minuses I have noticed so far is the “nag” registration screen at bootup and of course the RAM usage which are kind of high (I noted this on my script submission). I am puzzled by the PcScnSrv.exe process which I cannot recall seeing in PCC before and am curious about it's function. Right now it is at 63,056K. Maybe it has to do with the new proactive defense. I may find out later as I consented to be part of their “elite” testing team (whatever that entrails—another first for them) on the script I sent in.

Graystoke

July 26th, 2006, 02:54 AM

-{ Quote: "Wow, that is a surprise! Unfortunately I lost my key some months ago because of stupidity (always write those keys down!) and I have been using Avast temporarily until this new Beta came out. Otherwise I would like to try that trick out too. I am leaning toward it being a mistake though because I was given new (different from the beta) keys as a participation gift on every beta since '04. But you never know, as someone once said over on the Neowin board “The Trend is your friend!” lol" }-

I was given a beta key also. But like I said, I just decided to give my key a try just to see what would happen. Maybe it was a mistake on their part, but I'd like to think that it was good PR by Trend Micro. It's a great way to increase their customer base, along with offering a good product also, of course. :)

If your old key is still valid, I know you can contact TM support and have them send you a copy. I also lost mine a couple of months after purchase. I contacted support and recieved the key in less than a day.

Sputnik

July 26th, 2006, 05:32 AM

-{ Quote: "I may find out later as I consented to be part of their “elite” testing team (whatever that entrails—another first for them) on the script I sent in." }-
Maybe we can welcome you ;) I'm already in this testing team, and we use Trend's new pro-active detections since March this year ;D

larryb52

July 26th, 2006, 07:48 AM

is it definately a new proactive defense? I used Trend till I found a couple trojans using 2005 version...

Chubb

July 26th, 2006, 02:43 PM

-{ Quote: "Unfortunately I lost my key some months ago because of stupidity (always write those keys down!) " }-

Hi midway40,

You may try this:

http://esupport.trendmicro.com/support/viewxml.do?ContentID=en-116326#P435_4217

midway40

July 26th, 2006, 08:38 PM

-{ Quote: "Maybe we can welcome you ;) I'm already in this testing team, and we use Trend's new pro-active detections since March this year ;D" }-

Thanks Sputnik, I hope I am chosen and can be of some help. :)

I notice you also run Fedora Core. I have been away from Windows for a while running Mepis and PCLinuxOS (Linux is the ultimate anti-virus, lol). But to run Linux you really need broadband for updates and I was tired of packing my tower to work to use it's T3 lines to update. Also I was missing some of my games as well, lol.

midway40

July 26th, 2006, 09:02 PM

-{ Quote: "Hi midway40,

You may try this:

http://esupport.trendmicro.com/support/viewxml.do?ContentID=en-116326#P435_4217" }-

Thanks Chubb, I actually used that method once (during PCC 2005 I think) but for some reason I cannot log into my account anymore to retrieve my info (it states that it cannot find my email address on record and it hasn't changed in 3 years). I was considering contacting Customer Service but since I will probably be getting a new key once this beta is over I will just wait. Until then I will just have to put up with the "nag" screen, lol.

Graystroke, TM has always been good to me and answered any question I had. I once signed up to be a beta tester for Whistler (anyone remember that? lol) and all I got for my efforts was was a thank you form letter with Bill's smiling visage on it. ::) (that letter went into the trash can pretty quick, lol) I was at least expecting a discount for XP or something. TM takes care of you! :)

midway40

July 26th, 2006, 11:05 PM

Sputnik, is the HouseCall Services link still a work in progress? When I open it I get what appears to be a part of TM's main page. Here is a shot of it (I am using IE7B3 if that makes a difference):

Sputnik

July 27th, 2006, 04:42 AM

-{ Quote: "is it definately a new proactive defense? I used Trend till I found a couple trojans using 2005 version..." }-
Actually the new Heuristics are part of the upcoming new engine. We talk about scan engine v8.240. I think Trend Micro will aim to ship this engine with the 2007 release (it's not yet included in the 'normal' beta version).

Sputnik

July 27th, 2006, 04:49 AM

-{ Quote: "Thanks Sputnik, I hope I am chosen and can be of some help. :)

I notice you also run Fedora Core. I have been away from Windows for a while running Mepis and PCLinuxOS (Linux is the ultimate anti-virus, lol). But to run Linux you really need broadband for updates and I was tired of packing my tower to work to use it's T3 lines to update. Also I was missing some of my games as well, lol." }-
I hope so too, however please notice that the updates the PUG members receive are bigger then the 'normal' updates. Normally ~900kb up to ~2mb a day. And sometimes over a 12mb. Something to take notice of while on dial-up.

Linux is very nice and I enjoy running it. I've been a KDE fan for a long time, but I just was not able to find a KDE orientated distribution fitting my needs. Fedora (GNOME orientated) just delivers very good security, is cutting edge and well supported by both company (Red Hat) and community worldwide.
Once you have the possibility of having broadband, I can definitly recommend you trying it once.

Sputnik

July 27th, 2006, 04:53 AM

-{ Quote: "Sputnik, is the HouseCall Services link still a work in progress? When I open it I get what appears to be a part of TM's main page. Here is a shot of it (I am using IE7B3 if that makes a difference):" }-
The HouseCall Services are still work in progress. Trend Micro is working on it's HouseCall range, and will also sell a program called "HouseClean" in the near future. It's a Anti-Virus/Anti-Spyware package.

Legendkiller

July 27th, 2006, 07:03 AM

well can anyone tell me about the firewall?i mean has it improved since the last version or not??
And how is this beta,safe for beta?
Well there was some internet problem due to which i couldn't be online since sat..

larryb52

July 27th, 2006, 08:17 AM

what's the time table for release on 2007?

Graystoke

July 27th, 2006, 04:09 PM

I've just run into a problem with PC 2007 beta. I just started up my computer after it had been turned off all night as usual. All startup programs loaded normally except for PC-cillin. When I hover my mouse over the tray icon, it said it's loading. I couldn't open any web pages. It was like my computer crashed. I did a reboot, and again the same message. As a matter of fact, it has been at least 5 minutes, and it is still loading. Everything else is working ok. I can't open PC-cillin to try to figure out what is causing this. I have everything enabled except for the spam filter. This has got me stumped. I guess I could try an uninstall/reinstall. Still loading.

Graystoke

July 27th, 2006, 04:45 PM

Update......Before uninstalling, I tried reverting my HD, using GoBack, to a time yesterday when everything was working ok, . That didn't work. Tried to uninstall, but got an error message. Error about can't uninstall because of files missing. So I tried unistalling in safe mode, that didn't work either. Rebooted and was about to use GoBack again to a time before I had PC-cillin 2007 beta on my computer, but PC-cillin loaded up normally. I have no clue what could have caused this problem. I know it's a beta, so maybe that had something to do with it. I just hope it doesn't happen again.

midway40

July 27th, 2006, 09:25 PM

Sputnik: The day I installed PCC2007 I had a 20Mb update, the day after it was 8Mb, yesterday it was 3MB and today 1.5Mb so I don't really see much of a difference, lol. I can handle a 12Mb update as long as it don't happen very often.

I used PCLinuxOS because of it's simplicity. It is perfect for those coming from Windows and just need a desktop OS. It was simple to set up and I hardly ever had to go CLI when I used it. I couldn't get into Gnome (Ubuntu) and liked KDE (with it's familiar Windows-like interface) which PCLOS uses. But I couldn't handle those 120Mb updates whenever a new version came out. I just wish they had something like AutoPatcher XP so I can download it at work, burn it to a disc, and take it home to update.

Thanks for confirming that about Housecall, I thought it was going to be something like that. :)

LegendKiller: I can tell you that before 2007 I had to modify some settings like port 135 and Netbios I believe to achieve a true stealth rating. With 2007 I got true stealth without having to adjust anything. Plus GRC told me that I had no reverse DNS which I don't think I was getting with earlier versions.

Graystroke: I haven't experienced that problem yet but did have a similar one with the 2006 beta I believe it was---whatever version they changed the tray icon in. I would put the cursor over it and it would say "initialising" for a long time. I would have to reboot it a couple of times and then it would start working. I reported this to the beta team at the time who let me know that they were aware of the problem and were working on it. A couple of days later after a update it started working ok.

Chubb

July 27th, 2006, 09:28 PM

For information only:

20% discount on PC-Cillin Internet Security, for new purchase and renewal!!!

Go to http://www.trendmicro.com/buy/us/personal.asp

(1) Click Buy Now for $49.95 (http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_Main.Entry17c/SID-16269/SP-10023/CID-0/PID-772585/PN-1/V1-772585/CUR-840) (PC-cillin Internet Security)

(2) Then click Buy Now (http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_Main.Entry17c?SID=16269&SP=10023&CID=0&PID=772585&PN=1&V1=772585&CUR=840&DSP=&PGRP=0&ABCODE=&CACHE_ID=2243330000256484) for "PC-cillin 2006 (12-months) - Digital - $49.95"

(3) Click "No Thanks" to "Upgrade to the Home Security Pack!"

(4) At the "My Shopping Cart", click the backward page button (pretending to try to access the previous page) and the 20% discount window will appear, saying "Don't Leave Yet, save 20% Now"

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The 20% discount also applies to renewal.

Go to http://www.trendmicro.com/buy/us/personal.asp

(1) Choose Upgrade / Renew Now (http://www.trendmicro.com/en/products/desktop/pc-cillin/buy/us/upgrade.htm)

(2) Near the bottom of the page, click on Renew with Extension Key (http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_Main.Entry17c?SID=16269&SP=10023&CID=0&PID=792852&PN=1&V1=792852&CUR=840%20)

(3) Click Buy Now (http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/sat5/ec_Main.Entry17c?SID=16269&SP=10023&CID=0&PID=792852&PN=1&V1=792852&CUR=840%20&DSP=&PGRP=0&ABCODE=&CACHE_ID=2243330000256484) for "PC-cillin Extension Key - Digital - $24.95"

(4) At the "My Shopping Cart", click the backward page button (pretending to try to access the previous page) and the 20% discount window will appear, saying "Don't Leave Yet, save 20% Now"

Legendkiller

July 28th, 2006, 02:04 AM

I am using it for some time now and would say i am very very impressed with the new version,the UI as usual is great,the new proactive defense is good and firewall looks to be more effective than the last 2006 version...
But unfortunately i can't seem to find where all the apps rules are listed,so as to modify them...
And also trend-micro is also advising you on which sites are not safe and@@@..
One of them being getright forum..
And yes,i was very very surprised to see a 19mb update,i even called a friend in night to enquire if he also had to update...;D ;D ;D ;D

Graystoke

July 28th, 2006, 02:51 AM

-{ Quote: "Graystroke: I haven't experienced that problem yet but did have a similar one with the 2006 beta I believe it was---whatever version they changed the tray icon in. I would put the cursor over it and it would say "initialising" for a long time. I would have to reboot it a couple of times and then it would start working. I reported this to the beta team at the time who let me know that they were aware of the problem and were working on it. A couple of days later after a update it started working ok." }-

I sent off an e-mail to the beta team about this. Hopefully they will take care of this. I also ran the 2006 beta also when it first came out. I didn't run into this problem with that one though. Oh well, different computer, different software. ;) :)

Benvan45

July 28th, 2006, 07:06 AM

Reading all the trouble with these 'big' suites: Go for the 'good' standalone products and you'll fly like a butterfly!
New Avira Antivir + firewall (beta): just great scanner, you won't notice it's there. Uninstalling: no problems, whatsoever. Nod32 + Kerio 2.15 Firewall: great couple, you won't notice it's there!! Besides both scanners you can run Ewido 4.0 Anti Spyware: Just great, light en all the protection you'll need.
Forget about those 'big' all-in-one programs.......You need very modern computers with lot's of Ram to run these buggers!

midway40

July 28th, 2006, 01:53 PM

Benvan: "Reading all the trouble with these 'big' suites..."

You are aware that we are discussing a BETA suite here, are you? To tell you the truth I was trying out NOD32 before this beta came out and I only have noticed a very slight slowdown in speed (which is to be expected it being a suite). Compared to Norton and McAfee suites, TM runs rings around those. Some people want to run suites, some don't. It would be a very boring world if everyone did the same thing. So what if it takes up more RAM than others, if you got the RAM, use it, that is what it's there for (running Linux, which uses RAM more effectively, made me realize this some time ago). As I stated before, if I wanted to do something like play COD2 (I don't play online since I am on dial-up) all I do is exit TM in which (unlike other AV's such as Avast! and even NOD32) it kills all of its processes from memory thus freeing up the RAM I need. [EDIT: all except one, TMAS_OEMon, but it was only like 4MB]

And being a beta you can expect some large updates as they tweak the system. I was only surprised that they had one so soon after the initial beta release. After the beta is over and things are more firmly locked down then you won't be seeing them that often. Most of the "big" downloads afterwards are anti-spam related and was around 4MB maybe once a week (or it was like this in 2006 version). Every now and then you will see a bigger update for the main program or such.

Graystroke, I hope you get your problem solved soon. At least we know we have an "insider" among us, Sputnik, who can give us the info on the developments of the ongoing beta (soon I hope to be privy to that info too, lol).

Graystoke

July 28th, 2006, 05:56 PM

-{ Quote: "Graystroke, I hope you get your problem solved soon. At least we know we have an "insider" among us, Sputnik, who can give us the info on the developments of the ongoing beta (soon I hope to be privy to that info too, lol)." }-

I didn't have any problems today with PC-cillin loading at startup. I received an answer from TM beta support. It basically said they were sorry that I was having a problem, and would look into it. If I had any more problems, be sure to let them know. It's nice to get quick responses from a company's tech support. :) It's good to know that there is one, soon to be two "insiders" here at Wilders. I'll know who to ask when I need help. ;) :)

midway40

July 30th, 2006, 11:26 PM

I just opened up Task Manager to check on things and was surprised by this:

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These are the lowest numbers I have seen so far with PCC2007. I have seen TMProxy and PcScnSrv as high as 64MB each.

[btw, I am not running Vista, just XP with a Vista theme, lol. Vista Beta only stayed on my computer only a few hours. It has a way to go before I put it back on my machine again. If I do I will need to add more RAM and change my sound card. According to Creative's site, they do not plan to build Vista drivers for the Soundblaster Live! (mine is the 'value' version)]

Graystoke

July 31st, 2006, 03:57 AM

-{ Quote: "These are the lowest numbers I have seen so far with PCC2007. I have seen TMProxy and PcScnSrv as high as 64MB each." }-

midway40, do you happen to know why your memory usage for PcScnSrv and TMProxy has dropped? Mine are still very high. 63,000K for PcScnSrv, and 32,000K for TMProxy. It doesn't seem to affect perfomance any, but those numbers sure are high.

Technic

July 31st, 2006, 08:44 AM

Hi!

I am very impressed about Pc-cillin 2007. Resource usage is adjusted by your system potential. It has web scanning and all the bells and jingles. There is no noticable system slow down when using this suite. :)

Pretty comprehensive protection indeed.

Legendkiller

July 31st, 2006, 11:01 AM

Yes,indeed trendmicro have done a splendid job with their firewall and also by introducing proactive defense,warning about dangerous websites,anti-phishing and much more...

Netherlands

July 31st, 2006, 11:29 AM

-{ Quote: "Yes,indeed trendmicro have done a splendid job with their firewall and also by introducing proactive defense,warning about dangerous websites,anti-phishing and much more..." }-

Is the firewall realy so good. I can remember that previous versions where not very inpressive!!

larryb52

July 31st, 2006, 12:36 PM

it's more rules intensive than before & after looking at McAfee's mess & since Trend does wireless protection I'm considering it for my & the wife's laptop, I used Trend Before (03,04,05) & has always been ram intensive but no impact on performance...

Saw11_2000

July 31st, 2006, 01:08 PM

I'm really starting to like this new PC-Cillin.

Netherlands

July 31st, 2006, 01:13 PM

-{ Quote: "I'm really starting to like this new PC-Cillin." }-

Does it have Http scanning so that a virus is blocked beforeit reaches your harddrive??

Legendkiller

July 31st, 2006, 02:15 PM

yes definetly pc-cillin has http scanner and i think all major AV's have that,i am not aware of AV's without http scanner...??? ??? ??? ???

and as for netherland,dude i am not a firewall expert,so maybe some knowledgeable guys may en-lighten us...

but as far as i know using pc-cillin 2007 after 2006 i get a feeling that i am using firewall!;D ;D ;D

Netherlands

July 31st, 2006, 02:48 PM

-{ Quote: "yes definetly pc-cillin has http scanner and i think all major AV's have that,i am not aware of AV's without http scanner...??? ??? ??? ???

and as for netherland,dude i am not a firewall expert,so maybe some knowledgeable guys may en-lighten us...

but as far as i know using pc-cillin 2007 after 2006 i get a feeling that i am using firewall!;D ;D ;D" }-

The new products of mcaffee doesnt have active http scanning !!

Graystoke

July 31st, 2006, 07:18 PM

Is anybody else who is using PC-cillin 2007, showing high memory usage like mine in my above post #53? Like I said, it's not affecting performance, I have lots of RAM, but I'm wondering if this is normal. It seems very high to me.

RobZee

July 31st, 2006, 07:52 PM

-{ Quote: "Is anybody else who is using PC-cillin 2007, showing high memory usage like mine in my above post #53? Like I said, it's not affecting performance, I have lots of RAM, but I'm wondering if this is normal. It seems very high to me." }-

I was using PC-cillin this afternoon in another FDISR snapshot & yes, my #'s were high as yours were. On my older computer there is a hit on performance as well.

Rob

Saw11_2000

July 31st, 2006, 08:20 PM

HTTP scanning, I don't think so in TMIS 2007.

Anyone confirm this?

TMIS 2007 almost = KIS 6.0 :)

I'm also beginning to think there might be a memory leak.

midway40

July 31st, 2006, 09:06 PM

Graystoke, PcScnSrv is now 62MB and tmproxy is 80MB ??? I have no idea why it was so low last night. I will keep monitoring it to see if I can notice a pattern. Last night was strange, I haven't seen those kind of numbers even on past PCC's.

I think that the website blocking is no more than comparing it to a database of known websites that install adware, malware, jokeware, etc and warning you of it. The firewall is more or less quiet except for when it does not recognize a componet accessing the net and when a network virus is detected (it went off last night, saying Blaster was knocking at my door, lol).

Legendkiller

July 31st, 2006, 09:38 PM

no high mem usage here...and sorry to netherland for a half-cooked info.

Graystoke

August 1st, 2006, 03:19 AM

I've been checking memory usage off and on today. No big changes. Numbers about same as yesterday. I will stay with it for now. I'm really liking this new suite. The only thing I wasn't sure if I would like was the firewall, but I like it. Overall, this new TMIS 2007 is very nice.

Saw11_2000

August 1st, 2006, 11:55 AM

I just fired off an email about how Incomming and Outgoing mail message scanning is considered mandatory protection, and the console assigns you a score of "Incomplete" if you are without these.

I explained that I do not use any mail client on my computer, and prefer to use Yahoo, and use the webmail scanner in TMIS 2007, and to remove the requirement for the mail scanning as mandatory protection, or make it one or the other.

Saw11_2000

August 1st, 2006, 11:56 AM

-{ Quote: "I've been checking memory usage off and on today. No big changes. Numbers about same as yesterday. I will stay with it for now. I'm really liking this new suite. The only thing I wasn't sure if I would like was the firewall, but I like it. Overall, this new TMIS 2007 is very nice." }-

Agreed, leaps and bounds over NIS and McAfee products.

Saw11_2000

August 1st, 2006, 12:15 PM

139 MB of RAM usage for me now.

Technic

August 2nd, 2006, 03:25 PM

-{ Quote: "HTTP scanning, I don't think so in TMIS 2007.

Anyone confirm this?

TMIS 2007 almost = KIS 6.0 :)

I'm also beginning to think there might be a memory leak." }-

HTTP scanning is there. So i can not confirm.

Memory leak - i can not confirm.:P

Saw11_2000

August 2nd, 2006, 03:52 PM

Anyone one tried running firewallleaktester.com tests with firewall at maximum security settings (which is the way to go)?

I'd be willing to bet it will do a hell of a lot better than last year's version.

Saw11_2000

August 2nd, 2006, 03:55 PM

Ehh, I'll take the initiative and run as many as I can. :)

Saw11_2000

August 2nd, 2006, 04:57 PM

PC-Cillin failed about three...I have a nice report typed up of exact vulnerabilities and tests, but they got LOST...damn.

Try to do more work...

edwardk

August 2nd, 2006, 10:42 PM

With 3 IE browser sessions open, here is what I have as memory usage:

edwardk

August 2nd, 2006, 10:48 PM

HEre are some screen shots:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8424/1qv1.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8149/2bo8.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8941/3op7.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/381/4ri2.jpg

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8899/5eb3.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6396/6rj0.jpg

Saw11_2000

August 2nd, 2006, 11:21 PM

Their new suspicious software warning system performed wonderfully in the leaktests, easily warning on 80 to 90% on the leaktests.

Also, TM has decent general patterns which picked up a few tests as TROJ_Generic.

edwardk

August 3rd, 2006, 10:02 PM

My only major problem with pcc2007 is memory usage. At one point my TMproxy service was consuming 87MB of RAM on its own. I wrote to the beta mailbox and was told a new version would be forthcoming and may correct this problem

edwardk

August 3rd, 2006, 10:07 PM

Here is a screenshot of the TMproxy process now with 3 IE windows open only

http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/3315/tmproxyds6.jpg

maddawgz

August 4th, 2006, 09:10 PM

omg 2005 only has 1,572k with 3 windows open! That 2007 id need a spaceship to run it.. :D :D :D

edwardk

August 8th, 2006, 04:14 PM

The beta team did promise that the next may use less memory but judging from their 2006 product, I am not convinced it will be optimized.

Technic

August 9th, 2006, 09:42 AM

-{ Quote: "The beta team did promise that the next may use less memory but judging from their 2006 product, I am not convinced it will be optimized." }-

Let's see what will happen. ;) New beta version should be out today.

Technic

August 11th, 2006, 12:36 PM

Surprisingly tech support lied to me. The new beta of TMIS 2007 should have been out atm. Just wondering if the US security firms are a bit outdated. :P

Legendkiller

August 11th, 2006, 02:11 PM

-{ Quote: "Surprisingly tech support lied to me. The new beta of TMIS 2007 should have been out atm. Just wondering if the US security firms are a bit outdated. :P" }-
they promised me on wednesday,that they will release later this week..lets see two days to go!!!!

Technic

August 11th, 2006, 03:28 PM

-{ Quote: "they promised me on wednesday,that they will release later this week..lets see two days to go!!!!" }-

Yup indeed. ;D They emailed to me and told that new beta will be out in wednesday. It is friday here. Maybe they abused us. :ouch:

Saw11_2000

August 15th, 2006, 11:03 PM

Nothing yet for a new build...

edwardk

August 15th, 2006, 11:30 PM

-{ Quote: "Sputnik, is the HouseCall Services link still a work in progress? When I open it I get what appears to be a part of TM's main page. Here is a shot of it (I am using IE7B3 if that makes a difference):

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4661/pcc2007gc8.jpg" }-

Trend confirmed that the housecall window is a work in progress and the current web page is just a placeholder.

edwardk

August 15th, 2006, 11:34 PM

Keep in mind that the next version of NOD32 will also be a suite bundle.

Legendkiller

August 16th, 2006, 02:18 AM

any news on next beta?

Sputnik

August 16th, 2006, 04:01 AM

-{ Quote: "any news on next beta?" }-
Beta 2 is just released.

Legendkiller

August 16th, 2006, 06:15 AM

i haven't had the notification sent to me as yet..maybe people in power-group get it first...
anyhow thanks...

Chubb

August 16th, 2006, 07:34 AM

-{ Quote: "i haven't had the notification sent to me as yet..maybe people in power-group get it first...
anyhow thanks..." }-

Yes, Beta 2 was out.

I don't receive any notification for beta 2, but you can go to

https://www.trendbeta.com/index.php?get=81

fill out the form again and you will be able to download beta 2 (PCC15Beta2Kit.zip)

The direct download link to beta 2 is the same as the beta 1 download. Simply use the same link and replace the filename with PCC15Beta2Kit.zip.

eBBox

August 16th, 2006, 08:00 AM

Beta 2 out.. Whats changed/new? 8)

Legendkiller

August 16th, 2006, 10:49 AM

-{ Quote: "Yes, Beta 2 was out.

I don't receive any notification for beta 2, but you can go to

https://www.trendbeta.com/index.php?get=81

fill out the form again and you will be able to download beta 2 (PCC15Beta2Kit.zip)

The direct download link to beta 2 is the same as the beta 1 download. Simply use the same link and replace the filename with PCC15Beta2Kit.zip." }-
Thanks.

Technic

August 16th, 2006, 11:18 AM

Hi!

Beta 2 is using about 180Mb RAM :P

And it makes my PC running very sloooooow (AMD 64 3200+ 1GIG RAM).:o

Legendkiller

August 16th, 2006, 12:38 PM

-{ Quote: "Hi!

Beta 2 is using about 180Mb RAM :P

And it makes my PC running very sloooooow (AMD 64 3200+ 1GIG RAM).:o" }-
do you see any other changes,minor UI changes or something?
also,do you get that registration prompt after every boot like the previous one?

Technic

August 16th, 2006, 12:46 PM

-{ Quote: "do you see any other changes,minor UI changes or something?
also,do you get that registration prompt after every boot like the previous one?" }-

No changes in UI , this version is worse than previous beta. One time registration is enough (i did not have any problems with registration when i used beta1).

I uninstalled Beta1 'cause of high memory usage and regular 100% CPU peaks.
Same story for this new beta. :-\

Legendkiller

August 16th, 2006, 12:59 PM

-{ Quote: "No changes in UI , this version is worse than previous beta. One time registration is enough (i did not have any problems with registration when i used beta1).

I uninstalled Beta1 'cause of high memory usage and regular 100% CPU peaks.
Same story for this new beta. :-\" }-
then it means that the mem-usage problem ur facing is not universal..coz i had no problems with beta-1.
i hope you have reported the problem to them,did they reply when beta-1 was being tested??

edwardk

August 16th, 2006, 01:06 PM

I too noticed that beta 2 is much worse than beta 1 as it relates to performance. All functions enabled with 3 IE windows open, beta 1 consumed between 100-120MB of RAM. Beta 2 consumes between 180-200MB.

I don't know if Trend is getting the message but they really need to optimize their code. I also noticed a 5-12% increase in processor usage during normal PC operations.

Cheers

Technic

August 16th, 2006, 01:21 PM

-{ Quote: "then it means that the mem-usage problem ur facing is not universal..coz i had no problems with beta-1.
i hope you have reported the problem to them,did they reply when beta-1 was being tested??" }-

Hi!

I had high mem usage with beta 1 too, but NO slow down.
Beta 2 has VERY high mem usage also, AND slows down my laptop.

IMO, mem usage might be universal (please read edwark's post). :ouch:

I reported problems with beta 1 and will do the same with beta 2.

larryb52

August 16th, 2006, 01:31 PM

I use to use their progrom since 03 & it has always been high & it's ineffective on trojans I'd move on since they seem set on backwards thinking...

Legendkiller

August 16th, 2006, 03:52 PM

The new beta is doing as well as the previous one,brilliant with no problems what so ever...;D ;D

edwardk

August 17th, 2006, 12:31 PM

How are you finding memory usage and hit on the CPU?

Legendkiller

August 17th, 2006, 12:54 PM

quite usual..

Technic

August 18th, 2006, 06:37 AM

-{ Quote: "quite usual.." }-

Very high RAM usage and regular 100% CPU peaks? :P

Legendkiller

August 18th, 2006, 08:06 AM

-{ Quote: "Very high RAM usage and regular 100% CPU peaks? :P" }-
nothing sort of that happened to me,it is working here w/o any 100% cpu usages and stuff.

ashishtx

August 18th, 2006, 12:39 PM

PC cillin 2007 beta is fine until you try to excute a known trojan which is known as downloader.harnig.
http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2004-081411-1341-99 followed by error no 3417 247(saying that no network device is found). I wrote to them about this bug and beta team said they will try to mend it in next beta build. I am counting because same thing happened with beta 1 and now with beta 2.

edwardk

August 18th, 2006, 01:16 PM

I have been using Trend for about 4 years now and my one major complaint is their detection rate. I do wish they would optimize their resource consumption but Trend's catch rate has been dropping (AV Comparatives, Virus Bulletin, etc).

They need to add newer bleeding edge detection technologies. Once my subscription is up, I may switch over to a NOD32 and ZoneAlarm combination unless Trend does a major overhaul of PCC2007. So far my testing has not indicated improved performance in pcc2007 over 2006 or 2005. It looks like they just added a couple of small Bell's and Whistles.

mrhero

August 20th, 2006, 05:35 PM

How good this suite against rootkits? I can see there is a anti-rootkit driver.

mrhero

August 20th, 2006, 07:31 PM

I had disabled Pccillin and installed Elite Keylogger. After I've started Pccillin and have run a full scan. Pccillin couldn't find elite keylogger. But F-Secure blacklight and Bitdefender Anti-rootkit can find. So Pccillin's anti-rootkit driver isn't good enough;) .

edwardk

August 21st, 2006, 12:46 PM

-{ Quote: "I had disabled Pccillin and installed Elite Keylogger. After I've started Pccillin and have run a full scan. Pccillin couldn't find elite keylogger. But F-Secure blacklight and Bitdefender Anti-rootkit can find. So Pccillin's anti-rootkit driver isn't good enough;) ." }-

I can confim the above. I have tested PCC2007 with some rootkits and have had similar results. I have submitted a detailed email to the beta mailbox but have not yet heard back from the team.

All my initial submissions had at least a confirmation of receipt within 24 hours but my latest emails have not. I am not sure if they have been overwealmed by testers or if they stopped reading the beta mailbox. What is going on over there at Trend Labs.

Cheers

ed

Technic

August 22nd, 2006, 10:16 AM

-{ Quote: "I can confim the above. I have tested PCC2007 with some rootkits and have had similar results. I have submitted a detailed email to the beta mailbox but have not yet heard back from the team.

All my initial submissions had at least a confirmation of receipt within 24 hours but my latest emails have not. I am not sure if they have been overwealmed by testers or if they stopped reading the beta mailbox. What is going on over there at Trend Labs.

Cheers

ed" }-

Hi!

I have noticed that too, they won't respond your emails anymore. :blink:

Sputnik

August 22nd, 2006, 10:22 AM

-{ Quote: "Hi!

I have noticed that too, they won't respond your emails anymore. :blink:" }-
Don't worry, they will respond.

Technic

August 22nd, 2006, 12:07 PM

-{ Quote: "Don't worry, they will respond." }-

Oh, thanks for the info. :D

edwardk

August 23rd, 2006, 12:26 PM

Hi guys

I received the following info from Trend yesterday concerning the resource usage comment I made:

"We have a new build version of PC-cillin 2007 that might be a better performer. Please uninstall 2007 then re-install using this installer from our website: http://betadownload.trendmicro.com/pc_cillin/PCC15Beta2Kit.zip"

Hopefully a couple of Wilders readers will be able to try this new version and post their findings here.

Enjoy

Ed

Chubb

August 23rd, 2006, 12:29 PM

-{ Quote: "Hi guys

I received the following info from Trend yesterday concerning the resource usage comment I made:

"We have a new build version of PC-cillin 2007 that might be a better performer. Please uninstall 2007 then re-install using this installer from our website: http://betadownload.trendmicro.com/pc_cillin/PCC15Beta2Kit.zip"
" }-

This is not a new build!!! This is the beta 2 version released on 14 Aug 06.

edwardk

August 23rd, 2006, 12:36 PM

-{ Quote: "This is not a new build!!! This is the beta 2 version released on 14 Aug 06." }-

I had the same suspicion but I am not sure if this is a variant to beta2 or if it is the original beta 2 release.

Cheers

Ed

Chubb

August 23rd, 2006, 12:37 PM

-{ Quote: "I had the same suspicion but I am not sure if this is a variant to beta2 or if it is the original beta 2 release." }-

This is the original first release of beta 2, nothing has changed. :)

edwardk

August 23rd, 2006, 12:41 PM

Because I had the same thought this morning, I sent a reply to the Trend mailbox and am waiting for their reply.

I have been using trend for the last 3 years but unless they deliver a truly well designed kit, I will move to a NOD32 / ZA / Process Guard combo

Chubb

August 23rd, 2006, 12:44 PM

-{ Quote: "Because I had the same thought this morning, I sent a reply to the Trend mailbox and am waiting for their reply.

I have been using trend for the last 3 years but unless they deliver a truly well designed kit, I will move to a NOD32 / ZA / Process Guard combo" }-

If you download the file and view its contents, you can see that the file size and content is the same as the first beta 2 downloaded a week ago.

Robyn

August 23rd, 2006, 12:59 PM

I don't normally use security suites and my ventures with this one would not entice me back to them again. I installed their Beta on a test computer updates servers are flaky similar with e-mail reponses at first reply almost by return but now it is longer although I do realise we are working with a beta product.
I have had an issue with thier AS component detecting a false positive with software which I have had throughly tested by an expert who has confirmed the software is 100% clean. Interesting to note the method used by Trend to detect was described s 'not very elegant' as they only used a part name of a real Trojan to stop the install when the actual full install doesn't have any sort of trojan. Reported to Trend but it will take a while to remove from the detection list.

I have only realised after watching boot up how long Trend actually takes to load. I much prefer NOD32 as my AV and a choice of software for my other layers. Even on minimal install I got everything - firewall drivers although the firewall isn't active as I didn't want this. Trend turns off Windows firewall automatically even when I selected not to have their firewall at install (for specific reasons)

edwardk

August 24th, 2006, 02:08 PM

I am also considering NOD32... Their new version is suppose to be a suite but they have not released any details yet. I am testing NOD on a test machine and the speed and detection rate is amazing.

I emailed virus testing comparaisons to the beta mailbox and have not received a response yet. Trend does not seem to have a heuristics engine.

maddawgz

August 31st, 2006, 12:24 AM

hi whats the next one Beta 3 or RC ?? is CPU any betteR?? thnx

ashishtx

August 31st, 2006, 12:37 AM

We have RC1 and for cpu usage i did not notice much difference. I was busy seeing its new features which includes trend secure- online transaction security tool. It looks better. I was given a one year license key with the email mentioning its rc1 release. It's already available on amazon websitefor 50 us dollars. The good news is that one license is valid on upto three computers.

Legendkiller

August 31st, 2006, 01:21 AM

Ashish,
Did you get an automated e-mail from them or you went to their site and downloaded the new build???
Also,the new build is 91.43Mb :o :o :o
What all has been added::)

bathisland

August 31st, 2006, 03:28 AM

I also got an automated email with the serial number valid for one year. And yes, it is 91.5MB. Compared to KIS 2006 at less then 15MB, what could be in this suite? Any ideas before I download!

Chubb

August 31st, 2006, 09:45 AM

The 91.5MB kit is even bigger than F-Secure's 72MB...:o :o :o

And although it is very big, the download is very fast!!!

Unzipping the file gives this:

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2058/content1yh9.png

http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/8012/content2vn4.png

Sputnik

August 31st, 2006, 11:23 AM

I got notified about the RC yesterday. Just installed it on a fresh VMware image, and it's working good, defintly a improvement over the beta's. They fixed all the bugs I reported with is a very good thing.

The product has very polished looks, they added some nice "loading" cursor when you've to wait for something, looks neat.
The RAM usage dropped by approximatly 1/3 on my system, it's still reather high, but the overall system impact is quite light.

Sputnik

August 31st, 2006, 11:32 AM

The main window.

Sputnik

August 31st, 2006, 11:33 AM

Protection Summary.

Sputnik

August 31st, 2006, 11:34 AM

Updater.

Sputnik

August 31st, 2006, 11:35 AM

Scanner.

ashishtx

August 31st, 2006, 12:38 PM

I got the email as the member of power user group.

Sputnik

August 31st, 2006, 01:26 PM

-{ Quote: "I got the email as the member of power user group." }-
Me too, nice to see more PUG members around. :thumb:

Graystoke

August 31st, 2006, 02:37 PM

Any idea when PC-cillin IS 2007 will be listed on Trend Micro's web site? They still only show PCIS 2006.

Technic

August 31st, 2006, 03:16 PM

Thanks for the heads up guys! So RC1 wont use 200 megs RAM?

Any screens from Task Manager? :D

Sputnik

August 31st, 2006, 03:32 PM

-{ Quote: "Any idea when PC-cillin IS 2007 will be listed on Trend Micro's web site? They still only show PCIS 2006." }-
Not before the 3rd week of September as far I'm informed.

Technic

August 31st, 2006, 03:35 PM

-{ Quote: "Any idea when PC-cillin IS 2007 will be listed on Trend Micro's web site? They still only show PCIS 2006." }-

Take a look here:

It is RELEASE CANDIDATE 1

https://www.trendbeta.com/index.php?get=81&content=236 :P

Graystoke

August 31st, 2006, 03:39 PM

Thank you.

Chubb

August 31st, 2006, 03:40 PM

And they will be testing the English-Great Britain version from 4th to 22nd Sept.

lodore

August 31st, 2006, 03:46 PM

does this beta work on windows me?

maddawgz

August 31st, 2006, 10:03 PM

Being my fav AV this , is it big though when running? are all RC downloads now from site? kinda got used to browsing faster now with Avast but ill wait to the comparitives have a peek then :) do feel a little more secure though with TMIS hope it scores well 2 thanks MD

Technic

September 2nd, 2006, 07:52 AM

Hi!

Anybody using this RC? Any info about system usage please. :D

edwardk

September 3rd, 2006, 06:05 PM

Any performance improvements. Beta 2 was slower than beta 1.

ashishtx

September 5th, 2006, 05:03 PM

here is the taskmanager
182908

Technic

September 6th, 2006, 11:06 AM

Thanks for the info ashishtx. Appreciated. :)

Chubb

September 8th, 2006, 06:58 PM

Received an e-mail invitation to join the PC-cillin 2007 with TrendSecure Beta Program today, but received no further e-mail after registration for the download link and beta key. Strange...

trjam

September 8th, 2006, 07:02 PM

We all got them, but that is one huge puppy I can do without.

Saw11_2000

September 8th, 2006, 09:40 PM

Yeah, what's with that?

Where's the download link?

Sjoeii

September 10th, 2006, 04:26 AM

You can download PC-cillin 2007 from www. trendbeta.com
I must say it is pretty good

Technic

September 15th, 2006, 02:25 AM

New beta is available now (for regional testing, europe).

Sjoeii

September 15th, 2006, 03:31 AM

Technic
Sorry but this is old. The regionals where allready available. I tested it and I must say Trend is improving.

Now waiting for the trendsecure regionals

Technic

September 15th, 2006, 04:46 AM

-{ Quote: "Technic
Sorry but this is old. The regionals where allready available. I tested it and I must say Trend is improving.

Now waiting for the trendsecure regionals" }-

PC-Cillin Internet Security 2007 beta EN-UK is just released. ;)

ashishtx

September 18th, 2006, 02:05 PM

P cillin internet security 2007 is released.

Here are the excerpts from their website:
Pc cillin internet securityTrendSecure ™ additional security software and online services
Transaction Guard™ protects your online transactions conducted at Internet Cafes or other public wireless hotspots.
Remote File Lock™ safeguards your private files in case your laptop is lost or stolen.
Trend Micro Mobile Security protects your cell phone against viruses and other threats.
Operating Systems:

Windows™ XP Professional or Home Edition with Service Pack 1 or 2
Windows™ 2000 Professional with Service Pack 4
Windows™ XP Media Center Edition 2004 or 2005
Windows™ XP Tablet PC Edition 2004 or 2005

Hardware:
Intel™ Pentium™ 350Hz, or equivalent processor
Intel™ Hyper-Threading and Dual Core CPU compatible
RAID 0 (Striping) or RAID 1 (Mirroring or Duplexing) compatible

Required Web Browser:

Microsoft™ Internet Explorer™ 5.5 or 6.0, with Service Pack 2
Compatible Web Browsers:

AOL™ Browser 9.0 Security Edition
Mozilla™ Firefox™ 1.5
Netscape™ 7.2
Required Memory:

128MB RAM minimum (256MB recommended)
Required Disk Space

250MB hard disk space available for installation
Compatible Email Software:

Microsoft™ Outlook Express™ 6.0 with Service Pack 2
Microsoft™ Outlook™ 2000, 2002, or 2003
Netscape™ 7.2
Becky! Internet Mail 2.0
Eudora™ 6.2
Mozilla™ Thunderbird™ 1.5
Compatible Web-Based Email Services:

AOL™ Mail
MSN™ Hotmail™
Yahoo!™ Mail
Compatible Instant Messaging Services:

AOL™ Instant Messenger™ (AIM) 5.9
ICQ 5 and ICQ Lite
MSN™ Messenger 7.5
Windows™ Messenger 4.7

Legendkiller

September 18th, 2006, 03:14 PM

thanks for d info

bigc73542

September 19th, 2006, 09:44 AM

I downloaded TMIS 2007 and installed it this morning. It accepted my reg key for TMIS 2006 with no problem, the trouble with the 2007 version is it is the biggest resource hog I have ever seen in a security app. As most members know by now I try and test many many security programs a month and including all of the security programs I have tested in the last two years TMIS 2007 is in a league of it's own on high resource use. Needless to say I removed it very soon after installiation. Trend Micro has really taken a step backwards in my opinion with this version.

Legendkiller

September 19th, 2006, 10:40 AM

it was okay during beta testing wid my pc,i will try this one,coz now i have a new pc wid me.

Legendkiller

September 20th, 2006, 12:47 PM

sorry bigc,as i said b4,pcc 2007 is working with no issue here.

i think,there something which doesn't go to well with pc-cillin.

bigc73542

September 20th, 2006, 08:08 PM

TM proxy alone was useing 90mb's. and all of the other process relating to Pc-Cillin consume almost 300mb's total, that is more than the rest of my computer uses with everything combined. I have never used any security app that inhales resources like that. If you can use it that is great but it won't be back on my computer anytime soon.

farmerlee

September 21st, 2006, 12:22 AM

Even the 2006 security suite seemed to use quite a lot of resources imo. Tmproxy always consumed around 60-70mb alone, then add the other components and it was well over a 100mb. 2007 sounds unbelieveably hungry, defeinitely not good for older systems.

Legendkiller

September 21st, 2006, 01:47 AM

strange tmproxy is using 36mb here...there must some compatibilty or some issue there with ur pc and pc-cillin.

bigc73542

September 21st, 2006, 07:46 AM

Whats funny is that TMIS 2006 runs on this comp fairly light, not as light as most av's but fairly light. Nothing like the hungry 2007 version. Like I said, if you are able to use it thats great but I have better alternatives that don't eat so much.

farmerlee

September 21st, 2006, 09:56 AM

-{ Quote: "strange tmproxy is using 36mb here...there must some compatibilty or some issue there with ur pc and pc-cillin." }-
It always seems to be using around 64mb of ram on my sisters computer (p4 3ghz, 512mb ram). Thats very strange indeed.

farmerlee

September 21st, 2006, 09:58 AM

Legendkiller

September 21st, 2006, 12:48 PM

i dunno,about how the ram usage changes from a 512mb ram computer to 1gb one.

but as i said earlier,it use to work well even when i had 1.7ghz,512mb ram computer a few weeks back.

don't worry,there must be something on ur pc not working well with pc-cillin 2007.

there are other good alternatives..

Saw11_2000

September 23rd, 2006, 01:53 AM

TMIS 2007 is officially launched, and the "TrendSecure" part is also online now.

Really cool features and tools they have.

Legendkiller

September 23rd, 2006, 02:14 AM

-{ Quote: "TMIS 2007 is officially launched, and the "TrendSecure" part is also online now.

Really cool features and tools they have." }-
i will check,thanks

Arin

September 23rd, 2006, 10:21 AM

The update center seems to have TMIS 2007 for US, Canada, Australia
and NZ only. so where is the version for 'other countries'? i called their
local office for India and they were clueless.

Crappopotamus

September 23rd, 2006, 01:08 PM

-{ Quote: "The update center seems to have TMIS 2007 for US, Canada, Australia
and NZ only. so where is the version for 'other countries'? i called their
local office for India and they were clueless." }-

Anyone got their comp. license from the 2007 beta yet? I got an email thanking me for the submission of the test scripts, and to contact them if I had any other concerns. Almost a week later I've yet to hear back from the email I sent back.

chrisjackson1985

September 23rd, 2006, 06:13 PM

hello im new to this place... great forum, just what ive been looking for.

i am using the latest NEW trend micro 2007, and am currently LOVING the software, its great although they have NOT improved the ram usage, the software is a whole lot better.

remaining ram on my computer:

kaspersky suite - 936mb free
trend micro - 797mb free

but,

you will all agree i still have loads of ram left, so nothing to worry about and i prefer the new trend when compared to other leading security suppliers.

also,

my machine runs a whole lot faster, is this because its using more of my ram, intending to make my machine operate faster? ...honestly i dont know, but i am loving it.

definatly the best version to date, good work.

chrisjackson1985

September 23rd, 2006, 08:25 PM

hi, sorry to double post but ive just seen this:

http://www.pcflank.com/pcflankleaktest.htm

Norton Personal Firewall 2006 (v. 9.0.0.73) failed
McAfee Personal Firewall Plus (v. 7.0.152) failed
Kerio Personal Firewall 4 (v. 4.2.3) failed
Zone Alarm Pro 6 (v. 6.1.744.001) failed
Outpost Firewall Pro (v. 3.51.748.6419) failed
Kaspersky Anti-Hacker (v. 1.8.180.0) failed
Windows XP built-in firewall failed
Tiny Desktop Firewall 2005 Pro (v. 6.5.126) passed

trend 2007 quarentined the leaktest automatically immediatly after download, could not even run it. yayyy, this is what i like, very very impressed

Saw11_2000

September 24th, 2006, 08:07 PM

I'm not sure that I actually liked how TMIS handled that.

It blocked the specific file, not the behavior. So, if another program was made that did the same thing, without the name, TMIS might not detect it. Sounds like what BlackIce did with GRC.com's leaktest.

chrisjackson1985

September 24th, 2006, 08:13 PM

its a good thing.......

mcafee detects leaktests aswell and removes them, im more worried about the others than let you run them. ???

Saw11_2000

September 24th, 2006, 08:16 PM

Well, if you think about it, the antivirus part of the suite deleting the leaktest is good, only if it can delete all the leaktests (as in the true Trojans and Spyware). Remember, the leaktests test the firewalls to make sure they don't allow access where they shouldn't...and TMIS 2007 does AMAZINGLY well at that, especially comparing to previous versions. However, I usually turn off antivirus and antispyware scanning, because they may not detect malware 100% of the time.

RiverLights

September 28th, 2006, 05:49 PM

Folks, I am completely new here. Have read posts before but never posted.
This seemed the best spot to share my experiences so far (and that of a friend) with the 2007 release of the PC Cillin suite. As a disclaimer, I am a very experienced computer user, but light years from any variety of computer expert. I did not participate in the beta program, but did download the first release about 8 days ago.

PC Cillin in various forms has served me well for many years. Virtually no conflicts. Got along with Spysweeper. Did not, in the past, slow down my system much at all. My system has a 3.19G prcessor and a couple gigs of ram.

I read a "since closed "thread that included some debate over the new release. My particular experience has been a little different from all the others I read. A friend of mine had the almost identical experiences on a different system. Tech has not been able to unravel the problems for either of us...and we have done the uninstall and reinstall mambo a couple times. (including complete uninstalls of spysweeper to see if that was causing any problems...it really wasn't)And all sorts of scans for viruses. PC Cillin's own...free kaspersky and free bit defender...all completely clean.

Even though we never set a password, we are getting almost random requests for a password when we navigate various settings. Sometimes it happens...sometimes it doesn't.

Very slow to load. Very. But that varies too.

Every now and then I will run an experimental scan, and once it went nowhere for an hour...lol....but that has only happened once.

Heavy palmprint on both RAM ( as many other posters mentioned) and also on the CPU during scans - varing from 20 to 95% usage. ( everybody else seemed to avoid that problem) If I try to go browse on my 20M connection while a full scan is running, initially I will have to wait a long long time just top get to my homepage....then everything gets fairly snappy again.

A random message every now and then that PC Cillin can't read my configuration. The suddenly it can again.

All sort of heavy, slow, and and disquieting.

The firewall performance and spyware component seem to have most definitely improved. Always aggravated me that they did not include their best antispyware in the suite previously. The resiodent antispam capability of Microft Office Outlook 2003 is very good, so I do not use Cillin's anti spam component.

Await test results to see if their detection rate has improved from "just solid". Though the variance of test results between different sources and different times amazes me. Not quite sure who to trust, and clearly so much is in flux nowadays....secuity seems all "fluxed" up too often <g>

My subscription runs out in March. From tech comments, I think they are aware of the early bugginess of the software, because many new downloads are arriving daily. I'll hang with this awhile longer and see how it all progresses. Kinda eyeballing the Kaspersky suite right now, but may end up sticking with TM.

I do agree with the general sentiment of one poster, think it was Big C, who said the only completely secure computers were unplugged.

RiverLights

September 28th, 2006, 06:01 PM

sorry for all the typos and grammatical disconnects

juckjones

September 29th, 2006, 07:10 AM

@RiverLights:

I too experienced the same situation with PCCillin 2007. I downloaded the program at the updates site of Trend Micro, about 67 MB and installed it over PCCillin 2006. Installation went fine until I tried to configure the settings. It kept me asking for a password which I've never set. I tried to solve the problem by setting a password. However, when I tried to access the settings again and entered my password, the program says that the password was not correct.

I uninstalled and re-installed the program but the results were the same. In disgust, I image-restored my drive, which I luckily did prior to the installation.

I think maybe it is the file that I downloaded from their update site that is buggy. They are also offering a trial version of this product which has a different size of about 90 MB. Maybe I should have installed this one...I wonder?

RiverLights

September 29th, 2006, 09:37 AM

Thanks for seconding the motion, JJ.

My friend went the tech route. And I salute PC Cillin for having free phone tech support...and they are trying...but ...

I do not think she would mind my quoting her email...all of this from after Trend kicked her case ( virtually identical to mine) upstairs to an engineer. She wrote

-{ Quote: "Let me just say that if I do all they ask, I might as well just get the virus or malware, wipe my system clean, and reinstall Windows. The latter might even be faster and require much less work. I can’t believe all the time-laden and tedious busy work they want me to do (1.5 pages of nothing but steps to take, most all requiring evaluation and analysis on my part, prior to their analysis, prior to the next set of commands). This busy work is so extensive, and I doubt seriously that I would even be able to do it all correctly without more knowledge. For instance, they want me to collect the installation log and other records from the temp folders…all of them. They want me to do some extensive work in PCCtools. Then they want ME to run a debug analysis, collecting the proper files to evaluate; run debug again, determining which to delete, and which to send to the tech, because the data will be enormous. I would have no clue about what is relevant to my problems, but my the proper execution of these commands require exactly that. " }-

Forgive me while I babble a little.

Neither my friend or I have much loaded on our machines. Nothing real esoteric. We both have fairly fast broadband cable connections.JJ, I have a hunch you are right about one of their downloads....I do not think it is our systems.

I went to a Trend Micro suite years ago because of conflicts I was having with separates. And we all know conflicts can be worse than viruses sometimes.

I'll hang with this for awhile, because their shields seem to be functioning.... Already blocked a couple network virus attempts to intrude.....and I like some of their features. I already have all my settings where I want them, so the password nonsense shouldn't be bugging me too much.

Clearly they have upgraded their spyware component, but I have no idea if it is as good as their stand alone ( much improved lately....if Consumer reports tests mean a thing). It should be as good, but I have no idea if it is. Their policy has been to hold back their spyware best from the suite ( which as policies go, Sucks)

Probably my favorite feature of both the old and new suite is their ability to block transmission of information you choose to block. Credit card, bank account, critical passwords etc. And the suite (2006 version) has said it blocked attempts to access them a few times.

As an aside, I had to uninstall Spysweeper to accomplish the download. TM demands that with a popup. Through several very through uninstalls and reinstalls, I have definitely
determined that spysweeper has not been the culprit. I have a high opinion of spysweeper ( once they got past their conflict laden 5.0 version), and will not let it go until I see some believable antispyware test results on this new suite.

Again, I am eyeballing the kapersky suite and very interested in the eventually upcoming NOD suite. Also considering adding a hardware router for extra security though I do not have a network at home. Also considering trying separates again.....bugs make for a brand new ball game.

Best of Luck to All in this brave new computer world. ( barbarians at da gates)

RiverLights

September 29th, 2006, 10:24 AM

I'll try to resist running this into the ground...I'll try :dry:

TM keeps updating their spam prevention engine again and again. Have two new ones just this morning. I have a hunch they think that may somehow be causing all havoc.

juckjones

September 29th, 2006, 12:56 PM

@RiverLights:

Yeah, they give so many technical instructions that are uses up most of the energy and time of the customer, if she is lucky enough to understand them. I have been using PCcillin since 2003 and have been rarely infected by virus/malware. I am quite satisfied with their products until now, when I upgraded to PCcillin 2007. How can they release their product from beta stage with so many bugs? I think they were in a hurry to declare a final working version because of pressure from other anti-virus software companies who were also releasing the 2007 version of the of their products.

I heard and read reports that the beta version was a bit quirky but I thought all the bugs would be gone from their final version. Still, I covered my butt with an backup image of my drive, so I'm now on the old reliable 2006.

By the way, I have e-mailed them about the bugs and i haven't received any reply yet. Maybe I'll get the same reply as the one sent to your friend :shifty:

RiverLights

September 29th, 2006, 01:16 PM

-{ Quote: "Still, I covered my butt with an backup image of my drive, so I'm now on the old reliable 2006." }-

Do you use any particular software for that, JJ? Thanks in advance.

juckjones

September 30th, 2006, 02:42 AM

Try using Acronis TrueImage. Damn nice program. You can download the trial (valid for 15 Days) at this link: http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/download/link/?trueimage9.0_d_en.exe

It restores your entire drive in case of a bad software installation like PCCillin 2007. Much better than the Windows system restore.

RiverLights

September 30th, 2006, 01:24 PM

Thanks JJ.

As soon as I get my system squared away, I will use it to create a backup image to my external hard drive.

May be too late to avoid running this topic into the ground, but the latest is a piece of really brazen and malicious grayware that waltzed past both Trend Micro and Spysweeper shileds. And, sadly, SS couldn't find it in a scan. PC Cillin 2007 did find it but initially didn't bother to fill me in on it...lol.

I found it actually running on the task manager...as a program not a process.
ayiyi

Only discovered that PCC actually found it when I examined their spyware log. Next scan on PCC flagged and removed it. But it was dug in to the registry because it appeared again after restart. Another scan, another removal...there again. The last removal SEEMED to do the trick, but when I get time I will enter the directory and look for traces. ( Later I did that and it is gone - score one for TM over SS)

To TM's credit, they do have a fine knowledge base record of the item

http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/grayware/ve_graywareDetails.asp?GNAME=SPYWARE%5FTRAK%5FPWSTEALER

I reported it to Spysweeper.

Anyway..the point. You were wise to exit the buggy program...and it is REALLY buggy. It will probably be fine by next year, but not now. I am vamoosing from it today.

Thanks again for the information, and best of luck to you.

Saw11_2000

September 30th, 2006, 10:35 PM

You may very likely have to reformat your computer for this issue. I had the same one (I'm nearly sure it was a buggy initial release that was corrected about a day afterwards), and now I have no problems.

RiverLights

October 1st, 2006, 12:05 PM

-{ Quote: "You may very likely have to reformat your computer for this issue. I had the same one (I'm nearly sure it was a buggy initial release that was corrected about a day afterwards), and now I have no problems." }-

Always possible, Saw.

The popup password requests have not reoccurred in a couple days.

Again, the shields are better and the antispyware engine is clearly better.
And the fact that they have free 24/7 online chat support is remarkable (in relation to other companies.....though I would always say beware of techs).

They are trying.

Hanging in with it for now....

juckjones

October 2nd, 2006, 09:35 AM

-{ Quote: "The popup password requests have not reoccurred in a couple days.
" }-

How did you do it, RiverLights? That was my main problem with the 2007.

RiverLights

October 2nd, 2006, 07:05 PM

I didn't do anything, JJ. Just stopped happening. Now the settings will reset on me now and then...lol..for instance I hate those balloons notifying me it is scanning outgoing and inbound email so I turned them off. Then at random times they pop on again. No big deal there...

But my friend is having a hellacious time. Several incidents. The latest a rootkit driver update. Only 36KB. Keeps asking for installation. Keeps, according to the update logs, successfully installing...then 10 minutes later asks to install again. And after every installation demands a computer restart.
Makes her computer ny on unusable when her broadband connection is activated.

Now that does not happen to me, but what may be worse is that I have never received any rootkit driver update whatsoever. And out of about 30 updates in 4 days, I have only been asked to restart one time. She's asked to restart with all updates.

There have been many other incidents...including what seem to me to be false positives in her scans. And parts of the program that just do not seem to communicate to each other; but again I will not go into details.

When a program is acting that wacky, I flee. And am about to try kaspersky. And though I have urged her to just reload 2006, she seems to want to somehow get it all to work.

Found the Kaspersky 6 on sale, and will give it a try for awhile. Should arrive Wednesday. if I do not like it, will switch back to PC Cillin 2006....and then ,after giving them a month or two to smooth out the speed bumps, try 2007 again. That's the nominal plan anyway...but with computer security I just never know...

:wacko:

RiverLights

October 3rd, 2006, 07:38 AM

PS my friend wrote...

-{ Quote: "I did have a very helpful and nice tech. Actually, I had spoken with him before, but today, he really wanted to help and he spent so much time with me. It was in vain. He tried many things, and we almost crashed the system, however, but it recovered when we uninstalled TM. All the way through, I could hear you admonishing me about techs, and you were right.

He did confide that TM will probably have this thing running smoothly in about a month. They are doing a lot of work on it. He also said that he experienced the same slowness at home. That is the majority of the complaints they receive. He mentioned some other problem he had, but I could not understand his accent in that sentence. He personally did not think SS and TM were in conflict with each other. I had an inkling that he used SS, too.

Get this…when I mentioned a friend had sent Kaspersky, and the friend said it was very good, but might not be as “user friendly,” he was curious about that. He said, “It has been rated the best.” Considering these calls can be monitored, I thought that was an astounding statement coming from him" }-

SS is spysweeper....which we both use. And I am the one who sent her the Kaspersky suite.

I agree with you, JJ.....in that I think they will have a fine , well integrated program eventually. They seem to be trying hard. But I think the tech is a little too optimistic. I'd give them till January or so. By next year it may be a doozie. Right now the TM cooking is so bad that the flies took up a collection to fix the screen door. ;D (joke stolen from Rodney Dangerfield)

RiverLights

October 3rd, 2006, 01:39 PM

Last PS

written because I have been critical...to be fair...

That password request problem has vanished on both of our machines. Why it appeared and then disappeared i will never know. And it has gone a whole day without resetting my email notification selections...lol.

After extensive untangling, my friend seems to have hers running pretty well; that antirootkit is no longer trying to endlessly load.

They are updating stuff pretty feverishly.The last 3 (all today) have been a new virus detection pattern, an active spyware monitoring pattern, and something called an Intellitrap White List Pattern....which apparently is a spyware pattern specific to compressed files.

My CPU usage during scans has dropped dramatically. VERY dramatically. Whoops...spoke too soon...that seems to only hold true during the spyware portion of the scan (1% CPU use)....it appears a scan only during the virus portion runs the CPU on my machine as high as 80%....but if I start another process....like typing this.....it knocks it down under 20% again. So it must automatically reduce the CPU load when you are performing other functions. Nice feature actually. Memory usage is the same...fairly hefty... but I have a couple gigs so that is not a concern unless I am working with many photos. This program seems to be rapidly evolving.

Again, I think it may be a sweet suite eventually. And I may go back to it after I give kaspersky a try (I'm wasteful that way sometimes but I always did want to take K for a spin).

Best of Luck to All

juckjones

October 6th, 2006, 09:01 PM

RiverLights, I wonder why your PCc 2007 gets better everyday? Could it be that TM have been secretly downloading software fixes along with the virus and spyware signature updates? Nevertheless, I'm glad that this program seems to be evolving into a good product. I have been hooked on PCCcillin and its difficult for me to switch to other security products. Previous versions of PCcillin have proven their worth to me and I felt at ease and secure with them. Now comes the buggy 2007. I feel so downhearted, its like your sweetie breaking up with you, you know?::)

RiverLights

October 8th, 2006, 12:14 PM

-{ Quote: " I feel so downhearted, its like your sweetie breaking up with you, you know?" }-

LOLOL. Think I know what you mean, JJ. Product loyalty can run stronger than most folks realize. And stronger than all too many companies realize....they are foolish to throw it away. And being suddenly let down by a suite can be almost like losing a "suitie" for sure ;)

My friend is hanging in with it. And she says it is mostly doing OK now. All that lingers is an occasional "cannot read your configuration" popup when she goes to some of the settings; but then it allows the setting change as if the popup never occured.

One other item we both have noted is that in 2006, if you hit what they considered a dangerous web site, Cillin would block access and explain , in very general terms, why...and give you a choice whether or not to proceed. Now me I liked that. The 2007 version allows travel to the site and then gives a scary popup saying the borswer should be closed right away. Now whether it is just a preview page ( and the site is actually blocked until you click on something) or whether you are really there and vulnerable, is unknown to me. But I think their previous method was far superior, and I have no idea why they changed it.

One of those sites is the TopTenReview site.....of security software. The same site doesn't seem to bother kaspersky at all.

JJ, I am trying Kaspersky right now. it is doing fine, but there are a couple issues like the way their real time HTTP buffering scans truncates my upload speed...and blocked access to my email during scans...but I can live with those. One important point....kaspersky's first scan....after I had lived with 2007 Cillin over a week.... was completely clean. So for all its problems, 2007 Cillin was protecting effectively.

One small thing I do like about kaspersky is that its antispyware does not go after almost always harmless tracking cookies. Like a stealth bomber that refuses to attack civilians. Too many antispyware programs target them...mainly to add some pizazz to their scan results - for sales purposes(in my opinions).

K's updates are seamless and frequent. Rarely require a reboot. it's scans mostly run quietly in the background. it's touch on the system is not really light, but not heavy either....but that is just a subjective impression. Uses less memory than 2007.

Not sure which program I will use yet. I completely agree they almost certainly are downloading some program changes along with the virus patterns etc.

My next little security project...and I may regret it...so many folks report headaches with routers...is to add a hardware firewall to my security. Gonna try the wired D Link 4100, but will put up with little guff in using it.

Kaspersky is good, but the 2007 version of PC Cillin is potentially strong too;
and it just seems much PURTIER than K... I miss her...

:shifty:

Giluxis

October 9th, 2006, 09:50 PM

I have used a number of security packages over the years. I won't let a Norton product in breathing range of my computer. I think Norton invented the rootkit.

McAfee was my primary until they decided that it was a "good" thing to dumb down the software. First ,I was forced to purchase their "latest" version. It gave me no options to turn off the incessant popups declaring that there was this security issue or that. The final straw was the resource hit that my system took.

I dumped McAfee, even though I had a year left on my subscription, and went to TrendMicro. I have been happy ever since....until now.

This latest version is the biggest resource hog I have ever seen. I am running a p4 3.2gig with 2gig ram and this pig is slowing down my system.

PcScnSvr.exe usage jumps to 194456k and cpu load jumps to 45%!!!!!! WTF????
TmProxy.exe 73544K
TMAS-OL 45616K
pccguide 28684K
PcCtlCom 24800K
pccmain 9632K
TmPfw 7468K
tmntsrv 4436K
TMAS_OEMon 2820K

This is 370mb of MY RAM!!!!!!!! Not theirs!!!!

Thank god I was able to turn off the phone home feature that causes an open a link to the TrendMicros' ad server and keeps it open.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/software/trendmicro/PC-cillin/15/support/EnableHCMS=0

I use the Virus/firewall and spyware/spam filter. That is all. I have no interest in being niggled about what web pages I may view. I opted to not let TM install their own spyware that allows them to monitor my surfing.

They had better get it through their collective heads that this memory issue is a breaking point and that people will dump them if it isn't fixed.

bugsy_pal

October 10th, 2006, 12:31 AM

I have been trailling Kaspersky AV and IS, after a few years of using Trend Micro PC-Cillin. The 2006 PC-Cilling has been good and I have no complaints, but I'm concerned about the heavy resource hit for 2007 version - hence my trial of KAV. I must say that I am surprised at how much quicker my PC boots up with KAV/KIS compared to PC-Cillin 2006 - it's much quicker.

I have just started testing out the KIS firewall, which by all accounts is very good. I was running Kerio before but get the occasional BSOD, so I think it's time to move on.

I will probably stick with KIS - I like the interface and it seems to work pretty smoothly.

RiverLights

October 10th, 2006, 01:40 AM

My only issue with KIS is that its real time HTTP buffering scan is sharply truncating the upload speed on my broadband cable connection (by 70% - 2100 to under 700). Reducing the download speed sometimes too.

But the real time scans are a significant security measure, so maybe worth living with less speed....I do not upload all that often.

It does load more quickly than PC Cillin 2007, and it has a significantly lighter touch on resident RAM. Once I turn off teaching mode ( and all the popups that naturally go with it), I'll hardly know its there. Both its updates and prescheduled scans run unobtrusively in the background.

Will live with KIS a few weeks more and try to decide. In any case, I am confident it provides fine protection.

Sputnik

October 14th, 2006, 07:17 AM

Everybody participating in the PC-cillin IS 2007 Beta Program should have received their free license yesterday. Please check your e-mail, if you did not receive it contact the Beta Team on the e-mail address specified in the e-mails you received during the Beta Program. Thanks.

mrhero

October 14th, 2006, 03:10 PM

-{ Quote: "Everybody participating in the PC-cillin IS 2007 Beta Program should have received their free license yesterday. Please check your e-mail, if you did not receive it contact the Beta Team on the e-mail address specified in the e-mails you received during the Beta Program. Thanks." }-

From which beta program Pccillin 2007 or Trendsecure?

RiverLights

October 17th, 2006, 02:40 PM

Now I never know exactly who to trust in reviews, but FWIW, here's PC Magazine's review of PC Cillin 2007 .You have to scroll down a bit and click on the full review...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2024964,00.asp

must say I did not find any ports open in the easy Shields Up test. This is the second year in a row PC Magazine has said they were open. They take a ton of advertising, so I personally am slightly suspicious of their tests. Agnostic anyway. Not a good review though
Here's their rave review of the new Norton

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2023975,00.asp

and their review months ago of an older version of the Kaspersky 6 suite ( which I am using right now....with only one problem..their http real time scans trim the speed of my broadband connection significantly...but I am still getting around OK). This review is generally positive ( once they turned on proactive defense), and they found it to be their favorite suite.....until they encountered Norton 2007

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1960797,00.asp

Giluxis

October 18th, 2006, 08:12 AM

Just to update.

I have removed PC-cillin IS 2007 from my system and reinstalled 2006. The memory footprint of 2007 is way to large and completely screwed my functionality.

I have been in touch with TM customer service multiple times and was marginally successful in making their "product" run better. But it would never behave. They wanted to escalate this matter. They wanted to capture debug code, but I am NOT a beta tester. I get nothing for my troubles but the opportunity to waste my time helping them fix a poorly designed product and I get to pay them for it.

The short answer is that I could see no possibility that this system hog could be cut down to a reasonable size.

RiverLights

October 18th, 2006, 02:04 PM

-{ Quote: " Just to update.

I have removed PC-cillin IS 2007 from my system and reinstalled 2006. The memory footprint of 2007 is way to large and completely screwed my functionality.

I have been in touch with TM customer service multiple times and was marginally successful in making their "product" run better. But it would never behave. They wanted to escalate this matter. They wanted to capture debug code, but I am NOT a beta tester. I get nothing for my troubles but the opportunity to waste my time helping them fix a poorly designed product and I get to pay them for it.

The short answer is that I could see no possibility that this system hog could be cut down to a reasonable size. " }-

To update my opinion also...

I do understand, Giluxis. Though the memory footprint was not a big problem for my particular system...there are other aspects of PC Cillin 2007 I did not care for at this point. Quite a few actually. I'm dropping it.

Without detailed comment, I tried the Kaspersky suite...and generally I like it very much ---they informed me they have a new build ( free for current users) coming out within a few weeks.

Now I am trying out the 2007 Norton suite (never thought I would go anywhere near Norton again, but this new one is really a much lighter load).
I like it too. Very much a no muss no fuss program. And, for whatever it is worth, the PC Magazine review of Norton was a rave. (the review of an early version of Kaspersky 6 months ago was very positive too).

Will decide within the next few months which one I plan to live with. Right now its a toss up. ( had no installation problems whatsoever with either Kaspersky or Norton 2007)

Crappopotamus

October 18th, 2006, 05:32 PM

What I love most about the TMIS2007 beta program is over a month and 3 phone calls later I'm still waiting on the comp. key we were promised.

Graystoke

October 18th, 2006, 07:17 PM

-{ Quote: "To update my opinion also...

I do understand, Giluxis. Though the memory footprint was not a big problem for my particular system...there are other aspects of PC Cillin 2007 I did not care for at this point. Quite a few actually. I'm dropping it.

Without detailed comment, I tried the Kaspersky suite...and generally I like it very much ---they informed me they have a new build ( free for current users) coming out within a few weeks.

Now I am trying out the 2007 Norton suite (never thought I would go anywhere near Norton again, but this new one is really a much lighter load).
I like it too. Very much a no muss no fuss program. And, for whatever it is worth, the PC Magazine review of Norton was a rave. (the review of an early version of Kaspersky 6 months ago was very positive too).

Will decide within the next few months which one I plan to live with. Right now its a toss up. ( had no installation problems whatsoever with either Kaspersky or Norton 2007)" }-

I wanted to try out NIS 2007, but never could get it running properly. The install went fine, but after re-booting, it took about 5 minutes for NIS to load. That is no exaggeration. Maybe it's something to do with my computer. I tried three times, but always the same results. I even gave NAV 2007 a try, same results. I really wanted to try out the new Symantec products. I have 1.1 Ghz processor, 1 Gig RAM, XP Home/SP2. There shouldn't be a problem.

I also tried TMIS 2007, and it loads fairly fast, with no performance problems as far as browsing speed goes. No similar problems with any of the other AVs I've tried either.

Giluxis

October 18th, 2006, 07:27 PM

The memory issue wouldn't be that big for me either but I run a lot of streaming video both through an ATSC HD tuner and internet.

I monitored the CPU usage while this was going on and 2007 seemed to pulse to 100%, while I had the video on or if I did any surfing on the web.

With 2006 the system humms along at 15~20% no matter what I do.

There is something horribly wrong with 2007. It's sad. I was really impressed with TM until now.

Resturants seem to go through the same life... you know..."Wow this place is great! How do they charge so little for so much??" then after they get popular "Jeeeze, did they substitute horse meat for my strip steak?. Where is my waitperson anyway???" Then after they lose market share "All you can eat mazzo!!Seniors eat free." Next the door is padlocked and the ex-owners are wondering how they screwed up a good thing.

I think most of the TM problem revolves around the attempt to hide a fulltime online link to the TM servers in this beast. Naughty Naughty TM.

Graystoke

October 18th, 2006, 07:50 PM

Well, I'm just disappointed that I couldn't get NIS and NAV 2007 working on my computer. I've read some good things about it, and wanted to give it a try. I don't remember having this problem with previous versions of NIS/NAV.

EDIT....I checked out the CPU usage by running some streaming video while running TMIS 2007. When the video first starts, CPU does spike to 100%, but after a couple of seconds, it hovers around 24-55%. I'm no expert on these matters, but that doesn't seem too bad to me. :)

RiverLights

October 19th, 2006, 09:42 AM

-{ Quote: "Resturants seem to go through the same life... you know..."Wow this place is great! How do they charge so little for so much??" then after they get popular "Jeeeze, did they substitute horse meat for my strip steak?. Where is my waitperson anyway" Then after they lose market share "All you can eat mazzo!!Seniors eat free." Next the door is padlocked and the ex-owners are wondering how they screwed up a good thing.

I think most of the TM problem revolves around the attempt to hide a fulltime online link to the TM servers in this beast. Naughty Naughty TM." }-

LOL....which reminds me of an old joke...somebody commenting about a restaurant...

-{ Quote: "The food is awful. And the portions are too small" }-

;D

Agreed on the open line...nominally a constant link to their 24/7 chat support.
That whole window to the right of their program display...trying to sell extra features that really few people would ever use.....how many folks go to a public computer for an online financial transaction? That sort of inprogram salesmanship is very irritating to me...the kind of thing McAffee still does and Norton used to do. And the open line is (was) very irritating to me also.

RiverLights

October 19th, 2006, 09:51 AM

-{ Quote: "I wanted to try out NIS 2007, but never could get it running properly. The install went fine, but after re-booting, it took about 5 minutes for NIS to load. That is no exaggeration. Maybe it's something to do with my computer. I tried three times, but always the same results. I even gave NAV 2007 a try, same results. I really wanted to try out the new Symantec products. I have 1.1 Ghz processor, 1 Gig RAM, XP Home/SP2. There shouldn't be a problem." }-

I believe you. And there shouldn't have been any problem. I'd ask the usual questions about what other programs you have loaded on your machine, but I am sure you had that more than covered.

I will never completely understand computers. TMIS probably has you more than adequately protected....getting something relatively trouble free that works for you is the most important thing.

Sometimes I think the approach below would be the best way to go....<G>

http://www.glasbergen.com/images/g590.gif

Graystoke

October 19th, 2006, 04:22 PM

-{ Quote: "I believe you. And there shouldn't have been any problem. I'd ask the usual questions about what other programs you have loaded on your machine, but I am sure you had that more than covered.

I will never completely understand computers. TMIS probably has you more than adequately protected....getting something relatively trouble free that works for you is the most important thing.

Sometimes I think the approach below would be the best way to go....<G>

http://www.glasbergen.com/images/g590.gif" }-

The only other resent security programs I had on my computer were AntiVir PE Premium, and the AntiVir suite beta and RC 1, not at the same time of course. I ran two registry cleaners after each removal. After trying three times to get NIS/NAV 2007 to run after re-boots, I tried two other AVs, BitDefender and NOD32. No problems there. Trend Micro 2007 was my next experiment. No problems there either. For some reason, NIS/NAV 2007 won't play nice with my computer.

Not really sure how long I will be staying with Trend Micro 2007. It's ok, but........

PS....I like the cartoon. ;D

greenstem

November 15th, 2006, 05:13 AM

I upgraded to 2007 as part of the free upgrade for existing customers
(soon after beta ended i guess)
At first I was pleased, especially with the integration of antispam and outlook express.

Anyhow after a couple of days I noticed my system response getting very slow. Finally tracked it down to Trendmicro process, PcScnSrv. This process would jump to consume close to 100% of the CPU for 3-5 seconds whenever I did anything (opened window, switch tasked whatever)

Trendmicro service chat session was very helpful, well sorta. They had me do a complete uninstall and reinstall. That seemed to solve the problem with PcScnSrv for a couple of days. I could still see PcScnSrv, but it was not consuming anywhere near 100% of the CPU. Then it started again, back to PcScnSrv chewing 100% of CPU every time i turn around.

At first i thought it was simply a "feature" of 2007, but reading this thread it appears I am a lucky special case (although other sites hint at problems as well)

So, anyone else still having trouble with 2007 ?
By the I have fairly standard Dell Dim4500, 2.52 Ghz with 1GB RAM
winXP-SP2, nothing really unusual.

C.S.J

November 15th, 2006, 04:03 PM

cham44

November 30th, 2006, 02:25 AM

-{ Quote: "I upgraded to 2007 as part of the free upgrade for existing customers
(soon after beta ended i guess)
At first I was pleased, especially with the integration of antispam and outlook express.

Anyhow after a couple of days I noticed my system response getting very slow. Finally tracked it down to Trendmicro process, PcScnSrv. This process would jump to consume close to 100% of the CPU for 3-5 seconds whenever I did anything (opened window, switch tasked whatever)

Trendmicro service chat session was very helpful, well sorta. They had me do a complete uninstall and reinstall. That seemed to solve the problem with PcScnSrv for a couple of days. I could still see PcScnSrv, but it was not consuming anywhere near 100% of the CPU. Then it started again, back to PcScnSrv chewing 100% of CPU every time i turn around.

At first i thought it was simply a "feature" of 2007, but reading this thread it appears I am a lucky special case (although other sites hint at problems as well)

So, anyone else still having trouble with 2007 ?
By the I have fairly standard Dell Dim4500, 2.52 Ghz with 1GB RAM
winXP-SP2, nothing really unusual." }-

I'm having similar problems. First off it takes about 60 seconds for the icon to appear in the system tray (coincides with the loading of pcscnsrv) at which point the CPU goes to 100% for about 30 seconds and goes back down. I open IE it goes back to 100% for about 15 seconds then drops to 30% just with the web page open (yahoo). Yahoo is my homepage, it loads and this happens, I didn't touch anything. While sitting at yahoo it will just stay at 30% CPU usage and never go down unless I close IE. As I am typing this tmproxy and pcscnsrv alone are taking up 130Mb RAM total. I have found crap like this to be the norm for AV programs except eTrust EZ AntiVirus and AVG free edition which are extremely lightweight. I'm beginning to wonder if good protection is possible without slowing the crap out of your PC. I assume that hardcore security types consider AVG Free and eTrust EZ AntiVirus to be inadequate correct?

I forgot to add that I installed the Suite with the default options (which includes the firewall)

RiverLights

November 30th, 2006, 09:16 AM

My friend and I, as previously posted, had many problems with 2007 Cillien.. In our case not so much general slowdown...though there were times....but every time, incredibly slow to load.

FWIW, and I never thought I would say this about a Symantec program, I have been delighted with 2007 Norton Internet Security. Has become a set it and forget it for me. The only time I catch a noticeable slow down is just before a Microsoft office file opens..it scans it for a couple seconds and so the opening is delayed. ( that function can be disabled from the menu)

Amazing that suites don't slow computers down more actually. Here's an abbreviated description of the function of Norton's heuristic approach, and I assume most suites do something similar nowadays....

-{ Quote: "Symantec's revolutionary heuristic technology, which analyses programs and enables the user to repair an infected file immediately. Symantec's Bloodhound technology identifies unknown malicious code using heuristics…… Bloodhound sets up a "virtual computer" that tests for virus like activity while protecting your system from damage. Since a new virus reveals itself by its activities when a file is opened or scanned, Bloodhound opens a virtual environment to host the file. It then runs the file over and over, recording what the file is asking for and what it does. If a document is opened, for example, Bloodhound first checks to see if there are macros attached to the document. If not, Bloodhound ignores the file and it loads as usual.

Bloodhound then executes the macro over and over again. If the macro asks for another document or macro, Bloodhound supplies it with a virtual one and records what happens to the document or macro. If the macro asks for the time or date, Bloodhound supplies known trigger dates and times. Bloodhound records all the actions of the macro. After the file or macro is completely tested by Bloodhound, a complete picture of the true behavior of the file or macro is revealed." }-

C.S.J

November 30th, 2006, 01:57 PM

-{ Quote: "I'm having similar problems. First off it takes about 60 seconds for the icon to appear in the system tray (coincides with the loading of pcscnsrv) at which point the CPU goes to 100% for about 30 seconds and goes back down. I open IE it goes back to 100% for about 15 seconds then drops to 30% just with the web page open (yahoo). Yahoo is my homepage, it loads and this happens, I didn't touch anything. While sitting at yahoo it will just stay at 30% CPU usage and never go down unless I close IE. As I am typing this tmproxy and pcscnsrv alone are taking up 130Mb RAM total. I have found crap like this to be the norm for AV programs except eTrust EZ AntiVirus and AVG free edition which are extremely lightweight. I'm beginning to wonder if good protection is possible without slowing the crap out of your PC. I assume that hardcore security types consider AVG Free and eTrust EZ AntiVirus to be inadequate correct?

I forgot to add that I installed the Suite with the default options (which includes the firewall)" }-

your cpu usage and the 60 seconds to load, your talking of boot up times here .... nothing to do with the program regarding perforamance.

as for the ram usage, read a few threads, this has always been said.

you talk about it slowing your machine down, rubbish.... it runs fast when its booted up,as its using all that memory to boost it, ive done countless performance tests with the 2007 compared to other leading products, and it was in the top tier for performance (if your machine can handle the ram issue)

if your machine can handle this, its great software.

i think its £28 for 3 pcs, very very cheap ... matches windows onecare for price, updates frequently, with a 90% detection rate (similar to panda), has fantastic antispyware and a great firewall, passes most leak tests (for people who care about them)

so if your machine can handle the ram issue, i recommend this software fully... for cheap and secure software, a nice design interface and a seemless integration into outlook express for spam.

cham44

December 1st, 2006, 02:20 AM

I contacted TM and they said to uninstall the IS, delete the TM folder, undo Spybot's "immunization" feature and uninstall Spybot. Then install the latest build of the IS here:

ftp://ftpuser:ftp-trend@ftp-download.trendmicro.com.ph/Retail/TIS15/UnableToInstallMBD/TIS15InstallerFiles.zip

Now it seems to work fine.

-{ Quote: "your cpu usage and the 60 seconds to load, your talking of boot up times here .... nothing to do with the program regarding perforamance.

as for the ram usage, read a few threads, this has always been said.

you talk about it slowing your machine down, rubbish.... it runs fast when its booted up,as its using all that memory to boost it, ive done countless performance tests with the 2007 compared to other leading products, and it was in the top tier for performance (if your machine can handle the ram issue)

if your machine can handle this, its great software.

i think its £28 for 3 pcs, very very cheap ... matches windows onecare for price, updates frequently, with a 90% detection rate (similar to panda), has fantastic antispyware and a great firewall, passes most leak tests (for people who care about them)

so if your machine can handle the ram issue, i recommend this software fully... for cheap and secure software, a nice design interface and a seemless integration into outlook express for spam." }-

C.S.J

December 1st, 2006, 09:54 AM

i really wouldnt use spybot, surely there are better detection in other free programs?

because the last time i used it, it missed loads of things.

cham44

December 5th, 2006, 05:46 AM

-{ Quote: "i really wouldnt use spybot, surely there are better detection in other free programs?

because the last time i used it, it missed loads of things." }-

I didn't use it as a spyware scanner, I just used it for the immunization feature.

bobmitch

December 5th, 2006, 12:05 PM

I have to tell everyone. I purchased a Dell Inspiron 1505 in October of this year. It came with a three year subscription to PC-cillin Internet Security v12 for Dell. I was under the impression that at some point, I was going to have to format the hard drive and reinstall everything from scratch. My Core 2 Duo processor at 2 GHZ was running more like a Celeron than a Core 2 Duo. Then...I own a three user license to v2007, which was installed on two of my machines. I just uninstalled v12 for Dell and installed V2007 build 1429 that I got from Trend Micro. MY GOD! It's a whole new machine. It used to take a minute and a half to get fully into windows with my wireless card connected. Now it takes 15 seconds. There is a whole world of difference now. For all of you who complained about the resources on bootup...I suggest you contact TM about build 1429. Wonderful isn't even near what the difference is in my Inspiron...

Enjoy

Bob::)