Ubuntu - I have a question

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,
I see that Ubuntu is rather popular and gains more momentum among users. I'm thinking about writing a guide similar to Installing SUSE - one with Installing (K)ubuntu. Would you like to see that one?
Mrk

[sosaiso]

The installer for Ubuntu/Kubuntu is slightly more textbased and less simple than SUSE. I'd certainly like to see it. Particularly the partition management and dual boot setup. It appears more simple in SUSE it would seem.

My two cents. It would be helpful.

Good luck if you decide to.

[AnthonyG]

I certainly would be interested in reading it.

I have tried a few linix Dixtros and everyone always suggests (K)Ubuntu to be the best. But it was very slow for me when i tried it. But i was not sure if it was my system specs. Or if i did not have it setup properly.

[dog]

Sure :) It's different because it's text based rather than graphical compared with SuSE and very popular for new users. But doesn't Ubuntu already have a walkthrough available? An installation guide for Gentoo would be even better ... as it'd be likely the most difficult to install. :)

[Meriadoc]

:thumb: how about Gentoo as well;D

edit : oops sorry for the repeat there was only 1 reply when I started

[AnthonyG]

Seriously i agree a Gentoo or Slax/Slackware setup and usage guide would be excellent.

[WSFuser]

id love to see a full walkthrough Mrkvonic.

[pvsurfer]

{QUOTE-> Hello,
I see that Ubuntu is rather popular and gains more momentum among users. I'm thinking about writing a guide similar to Installing SUSE - one with Installing (K)ubuntu. Would you like to see that one?
Mrk <-QUOTE}
Absolutely - strictly from a Windows user's perspective, that would be fantastic! :thumb:

~pv

Btw, what is the difference between Ubuntu & Kubuntu (which one is better and why)?

[Devinco]

Whichever you decide, I would be very interested. :)

I guess if the existing walk through for Kubuntu is already very good, then maybe just your review on how it compares with SUSE from a Windows migrant perspective would be more valuable.

If the existing Kubuntu is lacking in regards to a Windows perspective, then yes.

[WSFuser]

{QUOTE-> Absolutely - strictly from a Windows user's perspective, that would be fantastic! :thumb:

~pv

Btw, what is the difference between Ubuntu & Kubuntu (which one is better and why)? <-QUOTE}
the difference is the desktop environment. ubuntu uses gnome and kubuntu uses kde. the default apps for email/web browsing/file manager are also different.

[sosaiso]

Kubuntu, because it's sexier.

[Not to start any religious wars. heh.]

But Ubuntu and Kubuntu are basically the same except for the Gnome/KDE difference.

[WSFuser]

{QUOTE-> Kubuntu, because it's sexier. <-QUOTE}
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

the crystal svg icons are very nice as well

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,
I'm installing Kubuntu as we speak and screenshooting the procedure.
Why do you say it's text based? You place the cd / dvd into the tray, it boots into live environment, you click install and it shoots. But I will cover certain textual aspects, such as graphic card, updates etc. Hopefully, you'll like it.
Mrk

P.S. Gentoo is a tough cookie, I'll try that one soon.

[pvsurfer]

{QUOTE-> .....just your review on how it (Ubuntu/Kubuntu) compares with SUSE from a Windows migrant perspective would be more valuable. <-QUOTE}
Ditto that!!!

[WSFuser]

{QUOTE-> Hello,
I'm installing Kubuntu as we speak and screenshooting the procedure.
Why do you say it's text based? You place the cd / dvd into the tray, it boots into live environment, you click install and it shoots. But I will cover certain textual aspects, such as graphic card, updates etc. Hopefully, you'll like it.
Mrk

P.S. Gentoo is a tough cookie, I'll try that one soon. <-QUOTE}
teh install is called text-based because theres no graphics or buttons just text and color. u use teh keyboard to input and change options.

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,

That's not what I see. The installer is keyboard + mouse, very much GUI!!
I'm doing it at the moment. It's either those South American mushrooms or something.

Here a screenshot during the installation:

http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/gui.jpg

Mrk

[Devinco]

Mrk,

I don't know if it is possible to find this out...
Can Kubuntu and/or SUSE setup program natively shrink an NTFS partition?
My hard drive is currently filled with NTFS partitions and they will need to be made smaller to make room for the Linux reiserfs partitions.
Can the setup programs do this, or should I use the GParted Live CD first to handle this?

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,
SUSE can, because during the install it can ask you to shrink the Windows partition when it installs. But I would recommend you use Gparted. Do one thing at a time - not install new OS AND shrink a partition with one OS already installed. Kind of risky. First, shrink. Reboot. Check everything works etc. Then, install the second OS - Linux.
Mrk

[WSFuser]

{QUOTE-> Hello,

That's not what I see. The installer is keyboard + mouse, very much GUI!!
I'm doing it at the moment. It's either those South American mushrooms or something.

Here a screenshot during the installation:

http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/gui.jpg

Mrk <-QUOTE}
i mustve chosen a different option when installing kubuntu.

one thing i wonder is why the gui install is started from a live kubuntu session.

[dog]

{QUOTE-> That's not what I see. The installer is keyboard + mouse, very much GUI!!
I'm doing it at the moment. It's either those South American mushrooms or something. <-QUOTE}They changed it then from the installer in the last version then .... That'll make it easier for new users. 8)

[Mrkvonic]

Well,
In time between my wife, work, porn, and other hobbies, I hope to write down this one soon - I still owe you the SUSE + VMware + Windows - it's ready, just need to upload it (soon...). I'll include basic installation options, graphic card installation, internet connection sharing, basic concepts like apt-get, how to install kernel source, vmware tools, automated updates, etc, links to forums, the usual stuff.
I'll keep you informed.
Mrk

P.S. dog, nice to see that distros are getting better and frendlier.

P.S.S. I think they give you the live cd to get the feel of things before you install. And it's kind of convenient live cd + installer in one cd.

[Devinco]

Thanks Mrk!

[iceni60]

it has been graphical since Dapper came out.

i think you can still use the text-based install if you want, it might have slightly more options, i'm not totally sure though.

[pvsurfer]

Does the latest Ubuntu CD for PC (6.06 LTS) also contain Kubuntu? Or is Kubuntu on a separate CD? :-\

[WSFuser]

its separate but u can install KDE in ubuntu if u wish.

[pvsurfer]

{QUOTE-> its separate but u can install KDE in ubuntu if u wish. <-QUOTE}
It's been 3 weeks, so I should be getting my Ubuntu CD pretty soon... Would you recommend installing Ubuntu and then installing KDE, or just re-ordering a Kubuntu CD and waiting another month?

Thanks and btw, where does one get the KDE install?

[WSFuser]

id wait to get kubuntu. its less hassle than having to install KDE.

KDE: http://www.kde.org/
installing KDE: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde.html

[aigle]

{QUOTE-> its separate but u can install KDE in ubuntu if u wish. <-QUOTE}

Will it change all the look of Ubuntu to kubuntu? I mean can u have exactly the same look as kubuntu with ubuntu plus KDE.

[aigle]

{QUOTE-> Hello,
I see that Ubuntu is rather popular and gains more momentum among users. I'm thinking about writing a guide similar to Installing SUSE - one with Installing (K)ubuntu. Would you like to see that one?
Mrk <-QUOTE}

I will love to see this. I intend to use (k)ubuntu soon.

[WSFuser]

{QUOTE-> Will it change all the look of Ubuntu to kubuntu? I mean can u have exactly the same look as kubuntu with ubuntu plus KDE. <-QUOTE}
ive never it, but i assume the appearance would change.

[pvsurfer]

As I wasn't certain that adding KDE to Ubuntu results in the same look & feel & functionality of Kubuntu, I just ordered the Kubuntu CD... I suppose I can wait another month.

[iceni60]

Ubuntu and Kubuntu look completely different because they are developed from different graphical libraries - Gnome uses GTK (Ubuntu) and KDE uses Qt (Kubuntu). because of that they use different programs too.

i found these links
http://cnlart.web.cern.ch/cnlart/237/kde-gnome.html
http://ref.web.cern.ch/ref/CERN/CNL/2000/001/kde-gnome2

http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/GNOME_or_KDE

you can just install Ubuntu then from Ubuntu install KDE.

atm alot of the LInux magazines have Ubuntu on the cover because it's just been updated fairly recently to Dapper from Breezy.

the best thing to do is try them both. i much prefer Ubuntu. it is better developed and was more stable then Kubuntu. although that might have changed with the release of Dapper.

Mepis is built from K(ubuntu) it uses KDE and is suppose to be very similar to Kubuntu but with better media support out-of-the-box. as it's a straight KDE distro it might be more stable then Kubuntu too. i haven't used Mepis, but if i was thinking of using Kubuntu i'd definately try it out.

[pvsurfer]

Thanks iceni60 - I may just give SimplyMepis a try!