Dissapointed

[niteghost]

I had such high expectation of Firstdefense-ISR which was recommended to me by a friend..
I did a snapshot and recovered imy system with that Snapshot without any problem. Then I proceeded to installed a couple of other Proggies to play around, and it happened that things did not work out. So, I proceeded again to Recover from the Same Snapshot as before, it WOULD NOT let me.
Tried to Boot to Snapshot inside Windows and use the Recovery at Dos too using the Hotkey to NO avail.Very dissapointed with FirstDefense-ISR.

[TonyW]

I'm sorry you're disappointed with the product. I just wonder why you couldn't boot into that secondary snapshot.

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "I had such high expectation of Firstdefense-ISR which was recommended to me by a friend..
I did a snapshot and recovered imy system with that Snapshot without any problem. Then I proceeded to installed a couple of other Proggies to play around, and it happened that things did not work out. So, I proceeded again to Recover from the Same Snapshot as before, it WOULD NOT let me.
Tried to Boot to Snapshot inside Windows and use the Recovery at Dos too using the Hotkey to NO avail.Very dissapointed with FirstDefense-ISR." }-

Hi Nteghost

Tell us more, about your system, what you did and exactly what you saw. Also where did you get the version of FDISR you are using.

Pete

[niteghost]

-{ Quote: "I'm sorry you're disappointed with the product. I just wonder why you couldn't boot into that secondary snapshot." }-

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6255/fdisr7bw.png

I wish I know , why I can ONLY Boot to it Once. I have provided a Screenshot to show the Snapshot hat I Boot to .

Sysem: http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/8580/specs2wr.png

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "Then I proceeded to installed a couple of other Proggies to play around, and it happened that things did not work out. So, I proceeded again to Recover from the Same Snapshot as before, it WOULD NOT let me.
Tried to Boot to Snapshot inside Windows and use the Recovery at Dos too using the Hotkey to NO avail.Very dissapointed with FirstDefense-ISR." }-
With which proggies did you play around and where did you download them and did you test them in a separate snapshot or all together in one snapshot ???

[niteghost]

-{ Quote: "With which proggies did you play around and where did you download them and did you test them in a separate snapshot or all together in one snapshot ???" }-

If FirstDefense-ISR really "works" that well, it DOES NOT matter what proggies I play with. The whole point is tat I can Restore my system at any given point and as many times as i want to wth that snapshot.
There should be NO EXCEPTION. in my book. [ NOT JUST ONCE]

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "If FirstDefense-ISR really "works" that well, it DOES NOT matter what proggies I play with. The whole point is tat I can Restore my system at any given point and as many times as i want to wth that snapshot.
There should be NO EXCEPTION. in my book. [ NOT JUST ONCE]" }-
If you think that FD-ISR is perfect or has to be perfect, forget it. Such software does not exist, except in your dreams.

Member "Acadia" already mentioned this, that FD-ISR conflicts with certain softwares and I took that warning serious.
That's why I backup my system with Acronis True Image before I start fooling around with other softwares, because I don't trust FD-ISR either, in spite of all the glamor around this software.
If something goes wrong with FD-ISR itself, like in your situation, I still have my backup to restore my system.

I would like to know what went wrong in your case and that's why I need to know which softwares you tried, but you are obvious not interested in finding out what went wrong.
I'm certainly not impressed by your answer and this is a typical reply from somebody who lost control and didn't know what happened and doesn't even remember what he did.
Next time when you play with new softwares, do it seriously and remember the softwares that caused troubles, because we users like also to know which softwares conflict with FD-ISR and test them on our system.

Good luck with finding your "perfect" immediate system software and certainly don't try RollbackRx, because that could be a bigger disappointment for you. :)

[niteghost]

-{ Quote: "If you think that FD-ISR is perfect or has to be perfect, forget it. Such software does not exist, except in your dreams.

Member "Acadia" already mentioned this, that FD-ISR conflicts with certain softwares and I took that warning serious.
That's why I backup my system with Acronis True Image before I start fooling around with other softwares, because I don't trust FD-ISR either, in spite of all the glamor around this software.
If something goes wrong with FD-ISR itself, like in your situation, I still have my backup to restore my system.

I would like to know what went wrong in your case and that's why I need to know which softwares you tried, but you are obvious not interested in finding out what went wrong.
I'm certainly not impressed by your answer and this is a typical reply from somebody who lost control and didn't know what happened and doesn't even remember what he did.
Next time when you play with new softwares, do it seriously and remember the softwares that caused troubles, because we users like also to know which softwares conflict with FD-ISR and test them on our system.

Good luck with finding your "perfect" immediate system software and certainly don't try RollbackRx, because that could be a bigger disappointment for you. :)" }-

If U are goiing to answer with that "Condensending" attitude plz "F** K OFF " the next time, I do not need U to answer my Post,

[sukarof]

-{ Quote: "it WOULD NOT let me" }-

How do do you mean?
Does it go past the windows logo? or does it stop right after the FDISR logo where you have the option to choose wich snapshot you want to load?

[niteghost]

-{ Quote: "How do do you mean?
Does it go past the windows logo? or does it stop right after the FDISR logo where you have the option to choose wich snapshot you want to load?" }-

What I mean is after I have chosen one Snapshot to recover and after I made changes to my System[ like installing a new Proggie] in the event if the new proggie does NOT work out, I can go back and Boot to that Snapshot again.
But when i do so, in DOS ,before the windows welcome screen, I choose the same snapshot, and hit Enter it booted straight back where I left off.
Usually FirstDefense-ISR ask U whether Yes or NO after U chose the Snapshot to recover from DOS. In his case, after the Snapshot has been used once, FIRSTDEFENSE-ISR wil not function for me. Hope I made that clear for U, thanks for responding.

[ErikAlbert]

Another unsolved case. If we go on like this, we will never find any possible bugs in FDISR.

[Peter2150]

Hi Niteghost

WHile Erik's remarks may have been a bit harsh, he has a point. The expectation that it will work with "everything" isn't realistic. For example if you should install another program that modifies the MBR you very well may find FDISR won't work. It absolutely needs the MBR for control. If I at all suspect a program may mess with the MBR, I talk to the authors before I install it. But anyway. I am curious whose version of FDISR you have. Is it Raxco's?

Pete

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "Hi Niteghost

WHile Erik's remarks may have been a bit harsh, he has a point. The expectation that it will work with "everything" isn't realistic. For example if you should install another program that modifies the MBR you very well may find FDISR won't work. It absolutely needs the MBR for control. If I at all suspect a program may mess with the MBR, I talk to the authors before I install it. But anyway. I am curious whose version of FDISR you have. Is it Raxco's?

Pete" }-
Peter,
As you can see in this thread, I start asking for the installed proggies, so I could test them myself. A simple question.
Instead of that I get an answer that FD-ISR has to be invincible.
No software is that, you know it, Acadia knows it, I know it and many other experienced users know it.
I can't test or try anything without detailed data.
What's the point of talking about a problem, if you don't describe the problem properly.
We don't even know which version he is using, you even have to ask for it.

[wilbertnl]

-{ Quote: "... so I could test them myself ..." }-
That is actually not clear to me, when I read this thread. Where did you mention that you wanted to do that?
I need to sign up for some mind reading training, in order to keep up with this forum. :thumbd:

[crofttk]

-{ Quote: "If FirstDefense-ISR really "works" that well, it DOES NOT matter what proggies I play with. The whole point is tat I can Restore my system at any given point and as many times as i want to wth that snapshot.
There should be NO EXCEPTION. in my book. [ NOT JUST ONCE]" }-Hi, niteghost. I can sympathize with your position but, as has already been pointed out, FD-ISR is NOT invincible and I don't think anyone here has made that claim. However, outside of it's specific limitations, the most commonly encountered one being it's need to control the MBR, as Peter pointed out, FD-ISR is quite ROBUST and reliable software.

So, given that, I think you would understand why we would like to know what software you're testing because I'm sure many of us would like to know if there are types of prgrams BESIDES those that need MBR control that will conflict with FD-ISR.

I understand your disappointment but, until I find out otherwise, I have to suspect you were just unlucky enough to try one of the few softwares that FD-ISR can't recover from on your first time out. Hopefully, this type of software is an exception for you and you can still find FD-ISR useful in the future for the vast majority of your computing scenarios.

No, I'm not a salesman for Raxfco or Leapfrog, just an interested user who would hate to see this thread fall by the wayside for the wrong reason.

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "That is actually not clear to me, when I read this thread. Where did you mention that you wanted to do that?
I need to sign up for some mind reading training, in order to keep up with this forum. :thumbd:" }-
For what other reason would I ask for these proggies ? Is that so important ?
The question isn't answered and nobody knows what happened here.
I use FDISR myself and I like to know as much as possible about FDISR, good things and above all bad things. :)

[dallen]

It seems that it would be helpful to know as much about what triggered the undesireable result as possible so that the plethora of knowledge that is available in this forum can uncover the cause of the issue. Being condescending does not help, but neither does being reluctant to disclose relevant information that is pertinent to the issue.

Why do you take issue with telling us which programs are involved?

I have a completely unrelated question:
Why does every one say "proggies" when "programs" is the same length and just as easy to type?

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "I have a completely unrelated question:
Why does every one say "proggies" when "programs" is the same length and just as easy to type?" }-
English isn't my first language, I prefer to use "programs" instead of "proggies", but I heard it before. In Dutch, I "feel" words, but not in English. Programs or proggies, it's all the same for me and I'm already glad, I could spell it right. :)

[Peter2150]

Quick Timeout Guys.

Erik. I know you mean well but sometime the language issue makes what you write come accross a bit on the harsh side

NiteGhost. Don't know where you are, and I know what you are experiencing is frustrating, but understand some of the folks don't have English as a first language.

Lets try and remember we are here to help each other, and the more info you provide the better chance there is.

Now what was the original problem;D

[maddawgz]

wut gr8 proggy lol..j/k....... first defence never fails me always save's my butt..... especially if a first hits only thing i do like to do is re-enstall my AV ..... Tru image was awfull product.......

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "wut gr8 proggy lol..j/k....... first defence never fails me always save's my butt..... especially if a first hits only thing i do like to do is re-enstall my AV ..... Tru image was awfull product......." }-
I hope you still do an image backup, because FD-ISR won't save your butt all the time and I'm speaking of personal experience. :)

[bigc73542]

I had FDISR totally fail which cost me a full format and os reinstall. But I wouldn't be without FDISR because it is a real work saver almost all of the time,I would guess about 99% of the time. But I do use an imaging program now also just in case. ;)

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "I had FDISR totally fail which cost me a full format and os reinstall. But I wouldn't be without FDISR because it is a real work saver almost all of the time,I would guess about 99% of the time. But I do use an imaging program now also just in case. ;)" }-

Hi Bigc

Do you know what happened and why the failure?

Pete

[bigc73542]

FDISR would not initialize at boot and when I tried to reboot it had lost the MBR. Since the reformat and os restore FDISR has worked flawlessly. But since it did it once I do also use an imaging tool now. ;)

[crofttk]

Yep, I've had a couple of snafus with FD-ISR -- it's by no means invincible, so I also multi-layer the protection. Namely with IFD/IFW, ATI, and Retrospect (this is across 6 machines, not just one). The other programs have failed me too, some more so than FD-ISR. It's often hard to tell, though, if the failure was more my fault, the program's fault, or both were equally to blame. I just try to learn to "not do that any more" and move on.

[TonyW]

-{ Quote: "FDISR would not initialize at boot and when I tried to reboot it had lost the MBR." }-They do recommend making a backup of the MBR after installing FD-ISR. From the Help file:-{ Quote: "The MBR (Master Boot Record) is a single point of failure for your file system. If the MBR becomes damaged, the computer will be unbootable and you could lose your entire file system. FirstDefense-ISR addresses this weakness by creating a MBR Backup Floppy that you can use to restore a damaged MBR." }-There is an option to store this somewhere other than a floppy disk, but the instructions aren't that clear as they refer to "a network path".

[Peter2150]

I guess we've all had one issue. I found that weird bug. But what I do now is periodically restore one of my archives into a new test snapshot and confirm I can boot to it. That way if some does go haywire, I can always either recover with an old image that has FDISR, or just install windows and FDISR, and I know my archives have been tested.

[Perman]

Hi, folks: Much has been discussed about the back up programs in the event of unexpected failure of FD-ISR. Very interesting. I have thereby make up a SOS emergency plan as follows. Can someone tell me if there is any room for improvement? I have ATI(acronis true image) as a back up. What I have done is this: Image all disk files into ATI's secure zone (this means including all snap shots). If the most unfortunate thing has ever happened,( excluding hard disk failure), I can reboot into safe mode and boot into ATI, restore all disk image from its secure zone back into disk 1 (the only one). Your advice is greatly appreciated.:)

[furballi]

Why do all of this work, then EXCLUDE the possibility of a HDD failure? You should, at minimum, create an image file of the OS (usually primary active C partition) and put this image file on a slave HDD. Do this at least once a month.

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Hi, folks: Much has been discussed about the back up programs in the event of unexpected failure of FD-ISR. Very interesting. I have thereby make up a SOS emergency plan as follows. Can someone tell me if there is any room for improvement? I have ATI(acronis true image) as a back up. What I have done is this: Image all disk files into ATI's secure zone (this means including all snap shots). If the most unfortunate thing has ever happened,( excluding hard disk failure), I can reboot into safe mode and boot into ATI, restore all disk image from its secure zone back into disk 1 (the only one). Your advice is greatly appreciated.:)" }-

Hi Perman

I can't say I see a point in this. If it were me, I'd remove the secure zone, and keep BOTH ATI images and FDISR archives on an external drive. The likihood FDISR will let you down is slim, but it if did your ATI image on the eternal drive would cover you, and your archives should still be good. This would be equally true with a hard disk failure.

Pete

[TonyW]

-{ Quote: "I can't say I see a point in this. If it were me, I'd remove the secure zone, and keep BOTH ATI images and FDISR archives on an external drive." }-Not everyone is fortunate enough to have an external drive. I guess the solution in that case is to store the ATI image on CD.

[wilbertnl]

-{ Quote: "Your advice is greatly appreciated.:)" }-
I would create an ATI rescue CD and test that it boots.
In case you are not able to install a second harddrive, internal or external, I would also create an ATI image which contains the OEM installation (or only one single snapshot) and store that on CD/DVD.

[crofttk]

-{ Quote: "Why do all of this work, then EXCLUDE the possibility of a HDD failure? You should, at minimum, create an image file of the OS (usually primary active C partition) and put this image file on a slave HDD. Do this at least once a month." }-You just need to read a little more carefully than you have been furballi. MOST OF US DO EXACTLY THAT if not more frequently.

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "Hi, folks: Much has been discussed about the back up programs in the event of unexpected failure of FD-ISR. Very interesting. I have thereby make up a SOS emergency plan as follows. Can someone tell me if there is any room for improvement? I have ATI(acronis true image) as a back up. What I have done is this: Image all disk files into ATI's secure zone (this means including all snap shots). If the most unfortunate thing has ever happened,( excluding hard disk failure), I can reboot into safe mode and boot into ATI, restore all disk image from its secure zone back into disk 1 (the only one). Your advice is greatly appreciated.:)" }-
The safest way to backup your system and data is an external harddisk or removable harddisk.
If you don't have it, use a separate physical internal harddisk.
If you don't have it, use another partition on the same physical harddisk.
These are the fastest and safest backup/restore solutions : disk to disk.

If you don't have all that, use a DVD.
If you don't have DVD, use a CD.
These are the slowest backup/restore solutions and certainly not my personal choice, but not everybody can
afford more expensive solutions.

Image backup (Acronis True Image, in my case) is a MUST and make sure it works : backup and restore.
You can't live without backup, unless you like to lose your data and re-install your computer manually and this has nothing to do with internet, you also need image backup without internet.
Create also a recovery CD, because there are situations you will need it and some users prefer to use their recovery CD for each backup/restore operation.

Immediate System Recovery (FirstDefense-ISR, in my case) is LUXURY, you don't really need it, but it's very handy to have, because in most cases, you can recover your system much faster than with image backup.
Most problems are solved with a simple reboot in a healthy snapshot.
FirstDefense-ISR is not only an immediate system recovery software, it can be used in many different ways.
You have to figure that out for yourself, how you will use FD-ISR besides immediate system recovery.
It depends on your imagination. :)

[crofttk]

Nice summary, ErikAlbert.:thumb:

[Perman]

-{ Quote: "Nice summary, ErikAlbert.:thumb:" }-
I ,from the bottom of my heart, echo your comment. Hi, folks: So many thanks to you all providing me so much valuable advice. I will digest each recommendation very thoroughly and implement the necessary. Again, THANKS.

[bigc73542]

-{ Quote: "They do recommend making a backup of the MBR after installing FD-ISR. From the Help file:There is an option to store this somewhere other than a floppy disk, but the instructions aren't that clear as they refer to "a network path"." }-


I did have an MBR cd disc I created that I had tested and had worked, even with that it was a no go.:-\

[screamer]

We've all had experiences w/ software failing us at some point. Nothing is perfect & never say never. It's especially dissapointing when its system critical software e.g. BackUp / Imaging.
For the price of ATI & FD-ISR one could also purchase an external / internal HDD and justify it as "the cost of owning a computer".

just my 2 cents

...screamer

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "They do recommend making a backup of the MBR after installing FD-ISR. From the Help file:There is an option to store this somewhere other than a floppy disk, but the instructions aren't that clear as they refer to "a network path"." }-
I also created this MBR-floppy, just in case, but somehow I think I will never need it, because when FDISR itself fails, I prefer to restore my system partition and MBR with Acronis True Image and it worked each time and I've done this so many times.
You don't even have to enable or disable the Pre-boot in FDISR.
Of course I always do a backup BEFORE I start fooling around with new softwares, just in case when FDISR itself fails.