When Vista rolls out what are you going to do?

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,
Vista will bring about many changes - DRM, ultra-uber-annoying security popups, backdoor shmeckdoor and so forth. What do you think you will do? Do you like the trend it's showing so far?
Mrk

[bigc73542]

I personally have no problems with XP. I sure don't want to rush out and get Vista that I am sure will have a few bugs show up. I will wait at least a year before I decide to make the jump.

bigc

[ErikAlbert]

No, I don't like the trend so far. WinXPpro is bugging me already, each time I reboot, because I don't have an AV installed.
If M$ likes to complain about it, why don't they provide an AV in winXP. If there is no AV, don't complain and let the user do it.
I installed an AV to get rid of their warnings.

M$ doesn't see the wood through the trees anymore and provides winVISTA with unnecessary gadgets, while so many other more important issues need attention. >:(

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "No, I don't like the trend so far. WinXPpro is bugging me already, each time I reboot, because I don't have an AV installed.
If M$ likes to complain about it, why don't they provide an AV in winXP. If there is no AV, don't complain and let the user do it.
I installed an AV to get rid of their warnings.

M$ doesn't see the wood through the trees anymore and provides winVISTA with unnecessary gadgets, while so many other more important issues need attention. >:(" }-

I think you can just turn off the security center.

[se7engreen]

I'll move to Vista on at least one PC right away. I will learn it and become proficient with it before making a hasty judgment.

Whether I'll like it enough to recommend it to everyone I know could be a different story.

[WSFuser]

i think i might wait a few weeks or a month before considering Vista, i may even wait for the first service pack if im so inclined.

one of my computers cant use it anyways due to a lack of a dvd drive.

[beetlejuice69]

-{ Quote: "I think you can just turn off the security center." }-

Yup ya can...all three check marks. :)

[Alphalutra1]

Stick with Windows XP, and continue to dabble in linux and bsd, hopefully learning them so I can make the complete switchover and force others in my household to(not only me using this comp unfortunately).

Alphalutra1

[snowbound]

Like bigc i'll also wait at least a year before considering a change.



snowbound

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "Like bigc i'll also wait at least a year before considering a change.



snowbound" }-
Same here. Until that many bugs might have been fixed with godd software support from 3rd parties.

[Detox]

None of the above - I don't even particularly like the XP on my other two systems. I haven't heard or seen a single thing about Vista I even remotely like, and I'm very happy using win2k on my personal machine. I'll admit I was using 98 far after most had moved to XP but... I really love 2k. I'm still in control of my own computer with it. I had to use SafeXP just to get the XP machines tolerable.

[dog]

I'll continue on with Linux ... I've already completely migrated to it, I don't see myself turning back. The only way I'll end up with Vista at all, is if I buy a "pre-made" machine for which the price is truly irrisible.

[Detox]

-{ Quote: "The only way I'll end up with Vista at all, is if I buy a "pre-made" machine for which the price is truly irrisible." }-

That's how I ended up with the 2 XP machines.. sister being an IBM accountant means family pricing...

[trickyricky]

Stay with XP, but eventually migrate to Linux. If Vista is the way MS are going, I'm not following.

[Upasaka]

-{ Quote: "Stick with Windows XP, and continue to dabble in linux and bsd, hopefully learning them so I can make the complete switchover and force others in my household to(not only me using this comp unfortunately).

Alphalutra1" }-

Sounds like a good plan;D

Which is easier,Linux or BSD?

[sukarof]

I will propably switch to linux, due to the reasons you mention. I wont spend hundreds of dollars to be crippled. I guess the only ones who will enjoy Vista will be the guys with a pirated copy ;)
I´ve been thinking about the switch for a long time but the learning curve has made hesitate. But now that I have VMware so I can run Linux (Ubuntu) at the same time, I am slowly moving there. And it is slowly coz one have do alot of re-thinking, the file system and installing programs and stuff are a real pain now in the beginning :)
But the information on the net on how to solve problems and howto´s are amazing :)

[dog]

-{ Quote: "That's how I ended up with the 2 XP machines.. sister being an IBM accountant means family pricing..." }-... and friend pricing :)

[Detox]

Yes, it does work that way 8)

[dog]

-{ Quote: "Yes, it does work that way 8)" }-The net is a wonderful thing :) ... to be hundreds/thousands on miles away ... and being the best of friends - is truly priceless my friend. ;) :-*

Talk to you tonight on TS. ;)

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "I think you can just turn off the security center." }-
Thanks Peter, I'm not familiar with winXPproSP2 yet and I'm still exploring it. :)

If M$ wants to warn people for not having an AV, than ONE time is enough.
People don't like to be lectured all the time and certainly not by a software.

[sosaiso]

Walk to my local computer software store, donate my kidneys, switch right away to Vista, ***** and whine for a little bit, format my computer, and learn Linux commandline.

[Antarctica]

WinXP is pretty stable on my computer right now, so I'll stick with it as long as it is supported by "Uncle Bill".;)

[Alphalutra1]

-{ Quote: "
Which is easier,Linux or BSD?" }-
PCBSD is the easiest, then linux, particularly OpenSuse, ubuntu, xandros, and knoppix. The other bsd are much harder to set up since they aren't really orientated towards desktop use.

Alphalutra1

[Kerodo]

I will stick with Win2k for as long as my computer is still alive and working.. eventually I imagine I'll have to get a new one and move on to a newer OS.. hopefully not for a few years though..

[sukarof]

-{ Quote: "PCBSD is the easiest, then linux, particularly OpenSuse, ubuntu, xandros, and knoppix. The other bsd are much harder to set up since they aren't really orientated towards desktop use.

Alphalutra1" }-

Thanks for the info. I downloaded the PCBSD vmware image and i was up and running in a couple of minutes.
It looks really nice, I love the Konqueror, it is fast loading pages..

[Lamehand]

In the course off time i will migrate everything to linux, even my hand-calculator.
I'm still using XPpro on one box until i've got it all sorted out.

Lamehand

[The Hammer]

I'll get it pre-installed on a new machine. I've been holding off buying a new one until it's released.

[TonyW]

-{ Quote: "
If M$ likes to complain about it, why don't they provide an AV in winXP." }-I think MS are trying to address that with their OneCare product. Admittedly, one needs to subscribe to it.

[donsan]

myself i will stick with xp as long as it is supported. i also have a mac mini that i have to say is really a great little machine and the osx operating system is pretty darn good i may possibly go mac all the way it is kind of nice not having every security program known to man on this system just to surf the net.

[clansman77]

will completely switchover to linux.i have migrated haifway now..

[Carver]

-{ Quote: "I personally have no problems with XP. I sure don't want to rush out and get Vista that I am sure will have a few bugs show up. I will wait at least a year before I decide to make the jump.

bigc" }-
Couldn't have said it better myself, the longer I wait...the more bugs they will find and you know M$, they will wait till the horse is well out of the barn to patch it.

[pvsurfer]

Interesting poll... I chose the last selection mainly because I still don't understand what advantages, if any, Vista would bring me. I have a relatively new PC, but it will only support a 32-bit version of Vista, so the advantages of a 64-bit O/S are not realizable for me. Vista32 would have to bring real functional benefits to me to make it worthwhile.

Besides my forum participation, other surfing and email, my personal computer use is with various photo-editing apps. Would Vista bring anything to the table that would benefit those kind of applications?

~pv

[dylanfan]

-{ Quote: "I'll admit I was using 98 far after most had moved to XP but... I really love 2k. I'm still in control of my own computer with it. I had to use SafeXP just to get the XP machines tolerable." }-
Hi.... One of my pc's is on W2k, and I still used SafeXP on it. Some options were greyed out since these were only XP-related, but others are useful on W2k too.

[dylanfan]

-{ Quote: "If Vista is the way MS are going, I'm not following." }-
I don't know much about Vista. Is it especially awful compared to XP or other previous MS OS's?

[WSFuser]

-{ Quote: "I don't know lmuch about Vista. Is it especially awful compared to XP or other previous MS OS's?" }-
i guess youd have to define awful.

Windows Vista: The Features (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/default.mspx)
Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows: Windows Vista FAQ (http://www.winsupersite.com/faq/vista.asp)

im going to be using nlite (if it works), so bye-bye excess junk and ill be using windowblinds so the aero interface isnt as important.

[dylanfan]

-{ Quote: "PCBSD is the easiest, then linux, particularly OpenSuse, ubuntu, xandros, and knoppix. The other bsd are much harder to set up since they aren't really orientated towards desktop use.
Alphalutra1" }-
HI. I had never heard of pcBSD. I might give it a try. I got discouraged with Linux (Mandrake at the time) when I couldn't get it to install on a Sony Laptop. Do you think I'd get a chance to install pcbsd on it? Are there enough modern drivers that come with it?

It would be really great! BSD has the reputation to be the most secure OS around. I guess pcBSD would be too. What do you think?

Can you do as many things with it as you can with MS's OS's? Any particular limitation?

[mercurie]

Wait a few months up to a year is my current plan. This would be due to the 'bugs' that have already been stated here. However, my hardware is getting along in years and an upgrade is needed....or is the correct word WANTED ;D :-\

Quick is Mrs. Mercurie looking. :shifty: ;)

[herbalist]

I won't own a machine with any form of DRM. What M$ calls "features" I don't want. They can keep Vista. I'll stay with 98 and continue to explore Linux and BSD. That PCBSD does look worth checking into.
If things ever get to the point of having to use Vista or the equivalent in order to have internet access, then I will do without the net.
Rick

[aigle]

Linux does has driver problems and hardware issue is more prominant for laptops.
See this site

http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/

[mercurie]

...so I am not misunderstood...all XP machines will be kept. I am talking about new hardware with new Vista operating system. No need to trash perfectly good XP machines. ;)

[EASTER.2010]

-{ Quote: "Stick with Windows XP, and continue to dabble in linux and bsd, hopefully learning them so I can make the complete switchover and force others in my household to(not only me using this comp unfortunately).

Alphalutra1" }-

Likewise! Vista is already a joke because they quickly already ignore the other OS's from their camp and with issues they prefer to bury them under the rug and hurry the drawing board for something new to draw attention.

Not good IMO. But then i drawed the last microsoft OS breath i'm ever going to take along with all the built-in anxiety, i too am experimenting heavily with other alternative OS's even though i will keep and utilize XP Pro etc. so long as the HIPS programs keep rolling out. :thumb:

[dylanfan]

-{ Quote: "i will keep and utilize XP Pro etc. so long as the HIPS programs keep rolling out. :thumb:" }-Hi...What's HIPS programs?

[Antarctica]

-{ Quote: "Hi...What's HIPS programs?" }-


Host-Based Intrusion Prevention System.

Some explanation here.

http://www.secureworks.com/techResourceCenter/hackers-sidestep-front-door.html

[the Tester]

I'll stick with XP for at least another year.
I don't like the trend or particularly trust M$.
I'd have to look really hard at Vista....I wouldn't jump to it without a lot of thought and research!

[gerardwil]

On this box I stay with XP (and Linux).
When I think I have to buy or make another machine I'll think it over.

Gerard

[Osaban]

I'll stay with XP as long as possible, not for loyalty towards the OS or MS, but it is simply the the one I know and feel at home with.

Changing to another system is time consuming and not an exciting proposition if you are not a computer enthusiast.

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "I'll stay with XP as long as possible, not for loyalty towards the OS or MS, but it is simply the the one I know and feel at home with.

Changing to another system is time consuming and not an exciting proposition if you are not a computer enthusiast." }-
I agree with you.
If you change, the change has to be a sensational improvement and not a nightmare.

[EASTER.2010]

Personally i do like XP Pro and i know Home Edition is not that much different. I been able to incorporate many 98/Me desktop enhancements like DOCKS and icon changables and that, theres even a 3-dimensional window that's been around since 98 that Microsoft is going to be including into Vista which IS quite nice but why waste your good money and earnings on a whole new system when developers have made many of these treats already available for FREE!!! and since 98!

[thedon57]

Already got my vista on order, as soon as it comes out I will be installing it.

[Kye-U]

I'll probably stick with Windows XP Pro for a month or two, then start playing with Kubuntu.

[Upasaka]

;D ;D

Well I've done it now:thumb:

Having got sore eyes through hours of reading up the various Linux distros I have downloaded and installed Xandros.

Why oh why didn't I do it before?
This OS is so easy to install,(much easier than Windows ) and so much quicker too.

If you want to change OS this is a brilliant way to make the transition,everything you need is right there ;)

[ThunderZ]

Did`t see an option for "run the other way" in your poll. ;D Then again, I`m behind the curve I guess. Still running 2k on 3 of my 4 networked PC`s.::)

[Rasheed187]

I´m going to install it on a virtual machine and see if it really has some kick ass features or not. Personally I don´t really care about eyecandy but I do hope that the GUI will be improved because XP has a couple of minor annoyances. And of course all of my favorite tools must be able to run on Vista also. But it´s not likely that I will upgrade my current machine, I will probably get Vista pre installed on a new machine in 2010, hopefully fully patched with SP2. ;)

[chrisretusn]

When Vista rolls out what are you going to do? Nothing. I will stay with my existing OS's (Linux and OS/2).

[sweater]

When it comes out, I'll then observe the posters here in wilders for what they can say bout it. If it's really good then I'll use it, but if it sounds bad here then I'll better stay with my current OS which is Windows XP/SP2 Pro. ::) ;) 8)

But I'd expect it to be much more better and advanced, easy to use and elegant than its previous versions. I hope it's much more stable and has lots of protective features. :dry: :blink:

[faterider]

I just stay on XP as much as possible and keeping an eye on Linux and BSD for a switch. If alt OSes doesn't come to the point where I'm satisfied, I can remain with XP forever because it has everything for me. And definitely don't like the way MS is going.

I can spend my genuine interest in PCs and OSes for deepening my knowledge in already existing products instead of learning new conceptions coming with the new ones.

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "When Vista rolls out what are you going to do? Nothing. I will stay with my existing OS's (Linux and OS/2)." }-
What about this OS/2. Its, easy to use?

[marcromero]

I will stay with my curent operating system (Windows XP Home) until such time an upgrade is needed or support for my current operating system has ended.

[chrisretusn]

-{ Quote: "What about this OS/2. Its, easy to use?" }-Well I think it is, but I have been using it for many years. IBM has pretty much abandoned it. Serenity Systems International eComStation (http://www.ecomstation.com/) is keeping it alive and there is still a number of users, die hards like me. :)

Here is a shot of my simple and basic desktop (click to enlarge)

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1365/ecsdesktop4xf.th.png (http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1365/ecsdesktop4xf.png)

[pykko]

well, as for me XP is running very smooth and fine...so perhaps I'll wait one year as MS to release its SPs :P.... and then probably I'll switch to it.

[bigc73542]

I just read an article from Microsoft yesterday that stated that computers over a year old would probably not be able to run Vista properly. That lets a lot of computers out of the Vista loop. And it would be expensive to upgrade your hardware to be able to take advantage of Vistas offerings. My new comp should run it with no problems but I won't be running right out to get it. Like most informed users here I will wait about a year to see what if any big problems show up.

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "I just read an article from Microsoft yesterday that stated that computers over a year old would probably not be able to run Vista properly. That lets a lot of computers out of the Vista loop. And it would be expensive to upgrade your hardware to be able to take advantage of Vistas offerings. My new comp should run it with no problems but I won't be running right out to get it. Like most informed users here I will wait about a year to see what if any big problems show up." }-
BigC,
If I'm able to run winXPproSP2 64-bit on my computer, does that mean I can run winVISTA or can other hardware components be a problem as well. My new computer is quite young (4 months).

[WSFuser]

theres no official requirements but heres some info:

-{ Quote: "Graphics: Vista has changed from using the CPU to display bitmaps on the screen to using the GPU to render vectors. This means the entire display model in Vista has changed. To render the screen in the GPU requires an awful lot of memory to do optimally - 256MB is a happy medium, but you'll actually see benefit from more. Microsoft believes that you're going to see the amount of video memory being shipped on cards hurtle up when Vista ships.

CPU: Threading is the main target for Vista. Currently, very little of Windows XP is threaded - the target is to make Vista perform far better on dual-core and multi-core processors.

RAM: 2GB is the ideal configuration for 64-bit Vista, we're told. Vista 32-bit will work ideally at 1GB, and minimum 512. However, since 64-bit is handling data chunks that are double the size, you'll need double the memory, hence the 2GB. Nigel mentions DDR3 - which is a little odd, since the roadmap for DDR3, on Intel gear at least, doesn't really kick in until 2007.

HDD: SATA is definitely the way forward for Vista, due, Microsoft tells us, to Native Command Queueing. NCQ allows for out of order completions - that is, if Vista needs tasks 1,2,3,4 and 5 done, it can do them in the order 2,5,3,4,1 if that's a more efficient route for the hard drive head to take over the disk. This leads to far faster completion times. NCQ is supported on SATA2 drives, so expect them to start becoming the standard sooner rather than later. Microsoft thinks that these features will provide SCSI-level performance.

Bus: AGP is 'not optimal' for Vista. Because of the fact that graphics cards may have to utilise main system memory for some rendering tasks, a fast, bi-direction bus is needed - that's PCI express.

Display: Prepare to feel the red mist of rage - no current TFT monitor out there is going to support high definition playback in Vista. You may already have heard rumblings about this, but here it is. To play HD-DVD or Blu-Ray content you need a HDCP compatible monitor. Why? Because these formats use HDCP to encrypt a video signal as it travels along a digital connection to an output device, to prevent people copying it. If you have just standard DVI or even an analogue output, you're going to see HD scaled down to a far-less-than-HD resolution for viewing - which sucks. This isn't really Microsoft's fault - HDCP is something that content makers, in their eternal wisdom, have decided is necessary to stop us all watching pirated movies. Yay." }-

source: bi-tech.net (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/09/07/vista_hardware_reqs/)

also check this page: Will Your PC Run Windows Vista? (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1843945,00.asp)

[ErikAlbert]

WSFuser,
Thanks for the info. Seems to me that M$ doesn't want you to buy winVISTA ;D

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,
They can try anything they want - they can never stop us.
We will always watch movies and listen to music any way we like, and for every corporate slave there are 5 open-minded opensource guys who will make software that will work for us.
Besides, with xp in its current configuration and vmware, you can play old games for years to come until comes the time to sober up and finally become mature (around the age of 40 or so).
Mrk

[Antarctica]

-{ Quote: "you can play old games for years to come until comes the time to sober up and finally become mature (around the age of 40 or so).
Mrk" }-


Some people I know are way over 60 and still are not mature, and I think
will never be.:P ;D

[Nick Rhodes]

-{ Quote: "Hello,
Vista will bring about many changes - DRM, ultra-uber-annoying security popups, backdoor shmeckdoor and so forth. What do you think you will do? Do you like the trend it's showing so far?
Mrk" }-

I would never trust an MS product unless its been out for atleast 6 months.

I am not happy with the direction vista is taking.

I currently am happy with XP and no need to change, Vista does not offer me a single feature I need and I have no desire for a lot of the new features like drm, fancy gui etc.

I only changed XP 18 months ago, because I needed the better power management and wireless capabilities of XP.

Very tempted to move to Linux, but am reluctant at the moment, because I know the NT platform inside out and I do use windows at work and program ".net" and support the web servers that run 2k3. Also the drivers from my laser printer is flakey in Linux and there are lots of issues with my wireless card.
But then I do have 2 websites running on LAMP (linux apache mysql and php) and enjoying that more that windows.

[Nick Rhodes]

-{ Quote: "I think MS are trying to address that with their OneCare product. Admittedly, one needs to subscribe to it." }-

Instead of investing the time/money in fixing the security holes that allow viruses and malware on the computers in the first place, MS create a product to mask over the cracks, its like buying a umbrella that leaks and then having to buy gaffa tape from the same company to fix the holes.

[sosaiso]

Well, it doesn't pay to fix your own mistakes. ;)

[YeOldeStonecat]

Choice 5 on the poll...move 1 or two rigs to Vista immediately..migrate the rest after a short period of time. Microsoft Action Pack baby!