NOD32 version 3, what's the rush?

[ejr]

I have seen many posts wanting information about version 3. I too am excited. But for now, I must say that I am very happy with the current version. My computer hasn't had a virus in quite some time and I feel confident that with NOD32 on my computer, I'm not going to get one.

So with the peace of mind that NOD32 brings me, why worry about version 3? It will get here when it gets here. Until then, I will happily continue using what I consider to be the best virus protection on the market.

[pykko]

Agree with you...NOD32 2.5 is the best or almost the best, but a new version brings usually improvements to cleaning, detection, proactive defence, etc. :)

[Marcelo]

Also for those who are about to renew their licenses, it would be interesting to know what features are included in version 3. It´s hard to make a buying decision without hard facts to consider.

NOD is an excellent antivirus, but so are many others. We already know what the new versions of other antivirus have to offer what about NOD?

I´m not particularly fanatic for any antivirus and I make my buying decision based on facts. The lack of a beta version available makes me wonder how close it actually is to a release date.

So should I renew my licenses for software that will have unkown features or should I buy a license for software I could actually test?

I can´t see what the problem would be for ESET to release a CONFIRMED set of features even if they don´t have a beta ready.

Will it have a registry protection module? What kind of proactive detection has been implemented?

We know IMON will be extincted, what has been implemented in its place?

What I mean is that people who are asking for information about the next version are neither in a rush to see a beta nor underestimating ESET´s capability to make excellent software. It´s the lack of information that is disturbing, for those who have to make their decisions.

[n8chavez]

-{ Quote: "Also for those who are about to renew their licenses, it would be interesting to know what features are included in version 3. It´s hard to make a buying decision without hard facts to consider.

NOD is an excellent antivirus, but so are many others. We already know what the new versions of other antivirus have to offer what about NOD?

I´m not particularly fanatic for any antivirus and I make my buying decision based on facts. The lack of a beta version available makes me wonder how close it actually is to a release date.

So should I renew my licenses for software that will have unkown features or should I buy a license for software I could actually test?

I can´t see what the problem would be for ESET to release a CONFIRMED set of features even if they don´t have a beta ready.

Will it have a registry protection module? What kind of proactive detection has been implemented?

We know IMON will be extincted, what has been implemented in its place?

What I mean is that people who are asking for information about the next version are neither in a rush to see a beta nor underestimating ESET´s capability to make excellent software. It´s the lack of information that is disturbing, for those who have to make their decisions." }-


Thank you. That is exactly what I've been trying to say. But for some reason whenever I say anything anti-nod I get censored. I say NOD needs to resepect their customers!!

[JimIT]

-{ Quote: "
I can´t see what the problem would be for ESET to release a CONFIRMED set of features even if they don´t have a beta ready." }-

Surely you can see the irony/absurdity of this statement? :D

[hollywoodpc]

Since NOD32 is well respected and liked . And since it does very well in most tests , why should version 3 matter ? I take back that question as I am not looking for an answer . I do not wish to chase more off of NOD32 but , if 2.5 is not worth your money , BUY SOMETHING ELSE ! My goodness ! Everywhere you go , you will find the overall opinion , professional and otherwise , is that NOD is tops ! It is not like this is new and you want to see how well it will perform . Again , buy something else if 2.5 is not good enough . ;D ;D ;D To wait on version 3 before thinking about buying this AV is nonsense . Sorry but , that is the way it is . I cannot even believe that statement was even made .

[Marcelo]

-{ Quote: "Surely you can see the irony/absurdity of this statement? :D" }-


There´s no irony or absurd in this statement.

Any software development follows a project. If they have screenshots to show at CEBIT they already KNOW what is feasible to be implemented in a final version, if they mean to release it in a reasonable time, and what isn´t.

I would find it absurd if ESET didn´t know by now what will be included in a final version and would seriously fear for the product quality.

Also the fact they don´t have a beta ready does not mean they don´t have a pre-beta version for internal testing. That means they should have a realistic set of feature confirmed already as they need time to set a beta testing period, and to estimate how long it should take to debug the software.

If they just kept on adding features in this point it would make develeopment very hard, to say the least.

[hollywoodpc]

The way Eset has always done a beta is by different testers trying different parts . Even in their beta , they do NOT have the whole program together . And all of what is tested can be tossed out and they can try something else . They do not know what will be included and what will not . They have their suspicions but , until thoroughly tested , they will not be added .
I hope that helps to understand a little more about why nothing is being released

[joter]

-{ Quote: " To wait on version 3 before thinking about buying this AV is nonsense . Sorry but , that is the way it is . I cannot even believe that statement was even made ." }-

if so, why ESET is developing version 3.0 for their product?
Just because they want to sell more products and not to loose customers that they will move to Kaspersky Security 6.0, for example. And as you know the customers of security products always examine the current level of the products they use and especially comparing them with others.

Of course I don't understand the marketing needs to show a product at CEBIT but hide it from all the others that have not seen it there.???

Regards
joter

[Marcelo]

-{ Quote: "Since NOD32 is well respected and liked . And since it does very well in most tests , why should version 3 matter ? I take back that question as I am not looking for an answer . I do not wish to chase more off of NOD32 but , if 2.5 is not worth your money , BUY SOMETHING ELSE ! My goodness ! Everywhere you go , you will find the overall opinion , professional and otherwise , is that NOD is tops ! It is not like this is new and you want to see how well it will perform . Again , buy something else if 2.5 is not good enough . ;D ;D ;D To wait on version 3 before thinking about buying this AV is nonsense . Sorry but , that is the way it is . I cannot even believe that statement was even made ." }-

Sorry, but I DO NOT in any moment disagree with that. But I CAN´T AGREE that I have to keep buying it for what it has been in the past.

Version 2.5 is enough NOW, but other products are adding layers of protection. All that I am asking is a list of features.

I'M NOT IN ANY WAY BASHING ESET.

If I didn't think it was a good product I wouldn't have it installed in my home AND office computers.

All that I asked is some HARD facts about the next version.

[Marcelo]

-{ Quote: "if so, why ESET is developing version 3.0 for their product?
Just because they want to sell more products and not to loose customers that they will move to Kaspersky Security 6.0, for example. And as you know the customers of security products always examine the current level of the products they use and especially comparing them with others.

Of course I don't understand the marketing needs to show a product at CEBIT but hide it from all the others that have not seen it there.???

Regards
joter" }-


Something I've been trying to say :) I completly agree with you :)

[hollywoodpc]

joter .
To answer your question to the best of my ability , it is because ALL developers continue to update and upgrade their products . I am sure they want to add features they do not yet have . Just like others . KAV 6 for example . Again though , my point is , 2.5 works ! PERIOD ! Features or not , it does what it is supposed to do . And very well . Soooooo , to say that 2.5 is not good enough to buy , go elsewhere . Although they have run me off of this product , I still say it is good enough to buy now .

[ejr]

I can understand wanting to test a beta version. But if it's not ready it's not ready. Listing a confirmed feature set prior to the beta being ready does not help those who need to try the beta version out to compare to other AV solutions. If you are pressed to make a decision on which AV solution to buy, you may wish to simply buy one that you can beta test for peace of mind.

Personally, I get peace of mind from knowing that NOD32 has hung with the best in the business for years. I trust that they will continue to do so. I went ahead and bought a 2 year subscription even knowing that version 3 was on the way. That's just how sold I am on NOD. If you aren't that confident, that is undertstandable.

The part of the complaints that I don't understand is about how NOD is "disrespecting" it's customers. Do other AV solution providers give away the farm before the beta is ready? Do they reveal their secrets to everyone before the product is even in beta mode? Why tell your competition what you are doing next?

Again, if you must decide now and don't trust that the new NOD will be world class, I say go buy another program if that gives you peace of mind. You can always come back to NOD32 at a later date.

[Marcelo]

-{ Quote: "Again, if you must decide now and don't trust that the new NOD will be world class, I say go buy another program if that gives you peace of mind. You can always come back to NOD32 at a later date." }-

Actually I believe ESET can and will produce a top antivirus product, and the current version is actually one of the top products, in my opinion. But, unfortunatly although I can make a personal decion based on belief, I can only make a professional one based on facts.

[ejr]

-{ Quote: "Actually I believe ESET can and will produce a top antivirus product, and the current version is actually one of the top products, in my opinion. But, unfortunatly although I can make a personal decion based on belief, I can only make a professional one based on facts." }-

That's understandable. So if you must make your decision right now, then you must go with a different product because the facts on version 3 just aren't ready.

But the fact that the product is not ready in time enough for you to make a professional decision is in no way being disresepctful to you. The disrespectful thing to do would be to release the product for beta testing before it is really ready for beta testing. That's called rushing a product to market and the everyone usually loses when that is done.

It's unfortunate that the product won't be ready in time for you this year. But the good news is that you can buy a one year subscription to something else, then test drive version 3 next year.

[Marcelo]

-{ Quote: "That's understandable. So if you must make your decision right now, then you must go with a different product because the facts on version 3 just aren't ready.

But the fact that the product is not ready in time enough for you to make a professional decision is in no way being disresepctful to you. The disrespectful thing to do would be to release the product for beta testing before it is really ready for beta testing. That's called rushing a product to market and the everyone usually loses when that is done.

It's unfortunate that the product won't be ready in time for you this year. But the good news is that you can buy a one year subscription to something else, then test drive version 3 next year." }-


Heheheh it wasn´t me who said ESET was being disrespectful actually but that is no problem :) Actually I agreed with Jotter when he said "Of course I don't understand the marketing needs to show a product at CEBIT but hide it from all the others that have not seen it there."

I think I´ll end up renewing my home licenses and buying something else for my office.

[mata7]

-{ Quote: "Of course I don't understand the marketing needs to show a product at CEBIT but hide it from all the others that have not seen it there.??? " }-

i have to agree Whit this 2, it make nascence

[DavidCo]

I imagine that Eset along with others will release new products before June '06.
The M$ 'One Care' comes out around then and for $50 for 3 seats (home) it is going to do some serious damage.
I will stick with Nod.

[Lollan]

Today is the last day of Cebit, although I hoped for one at the beginning last week, I'm looking forward to one soon :)

[hemkop]

hey heey so wait a min now :)
so you mean that ver 3-beta will be released next year or in june ? :o '

???

[mikel108]

-{ Quote: "I imagine that Eset along with others will release new products before June '06.
The M$ 'One Care' comes out around then and for $50 for 3 seats (home) it is going to do some serious damage.
I will stick with Nod." }-

Actually it will be cheaper for anyone that Beta Tested.

Q: Will there be a special discount for beta users?
A: To thank our valuable beta users, we are offering a promotional deal of $19.95 (for 3 PCs) for the first year of service to beta users who become subscribers between April 1st and April 30th, 2006.


It is from this link :
http://www.windowsonecare.com/faq.aspx

[RejZoR]

Well, 2.5 beta was released may/june if i remember correctly. So it's quiet likely that we'll see it soon. But thats just guess, since there isn't any official release date...

[blaine]

Well it's the end of the day, why wasn't any info released?

[pykko]

Guys there's no use quarreling on this subject. When screen-shots or a beta will be available they'll be released here or on the official website.
It's the 3rd topic on this issue.... ;)

[hemkop]

yeah its true there is no rush, but i just wanted to ask is this a a version 3 picture? because i am using sophos so i dont know.


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http://www.nod32.com/scriptless/products/img/ra3.jpg

[ctrlaltdelete]

It's no version 3 picture, it is the recent NOD32 Remote Administrator.

[RejZoR]

Hehe, "Triglav" is the highest mountain in our country. Along with insurrance company with the same name ;D

I wonder where they got this picture;)

[anotherjack]

-{ Quote: "I wonder where they got this picture;)" }-

1. Start NOD Remote Administrator
2. Click the "Remote Install" tab at the bottom of the screen
3. Click the "Packages" button to the right of the screen
4. Select "Default" from the "Name" dropdown
5. Arrange and rescale the screen to (somewhat) match the original picture
6. Click the "Show me the command line options" link
7. Screenshot and post

HTH... ;-)

Jack

P.S. Use WinXP to make it look pretty. I used 2000.

[RejZoR]

No, i meant the word "Triglav". The screenie must be from my country...
Or is out there the same word heh?

[DonKid]

-{ Quote: "Sorry, but I DO NOT in any moment disagree with that. But I CAN´T AGREE that I have to keep buying it for what it has been in the past.

Version 2.5 is enough NOW, but other products are adding layers of protection. All that I am asking is a list of features.

I'M NOT IN ANY WAY BASHING ESET.

If I didn't think it was a good product I wouldn't have it installed in my home AND office computers.

All that I asked is some HARD facts about the next version." }-
Hi Marcelo.

I understand what you saying.
I said I wouldn't comment about version 3, since there are a lot of gossip around.I'm going say something about version 3, when and if I have it in my hands.I don't care if there's a screenshot of it, etc.
My license will expire in july and I can wait until there, but I think you should try something else too. I'm testing KIS since october.

Best Regards,

DonKid.

[RejZoR]

Well someone who's interested in renewal or going with NOD32 for the first time is nice to see whats coming next so you decide easier. Not that you extend the license and later find out it's not working anymore as you like or the interface doesn't fit to your preferences etc.

[Notok]

They're probably not releasing details on Wilders because of how people tend to act around here when they do. In the past they've released this kind of information, and people end up hounding them relentlessly, demanding the next bit of information because "it's vital to the decision making process" (among other things, and even when the info was posted with the disclaimer that no other info would be provided). CeBit is a bit different, they're not there every day, and people go there to get what info they can (about every product) and then go home. Personally I don't think I would post that info either (something about not subjecting yourself to things you don't need to).

One thing I've learned over the years is that you should never buy a product for what's coming, because you will usually be disappointed (either it won't arrive on time or it won't live up to what you imagined it to be). Buy the product for what it is now, and worry about what's coming when it gets here. If you don't like it when it comes, you could still use v2.5 until your license expires.

[n8chavez]

-{ Quote: "They're probably not releasing details on Wilders because of how people tend to act around here when they do. In the past they've released this kind of information, and people end up hounding them relentlessly, demanding the next bit of information because "it's vital to the decision making process" (among other things, and even when the info was posted with the disclaimer that no other info would be provided). CeBit is a bit different, they're not there every day, and people go there to get what info they can (about every product) and then go home. Personally I don't think I would post that info either (something about not subjecting yourself to things you don't need to).

One thing I've learned over the years is that you should never buy a product for what's coming, because you will usually be disappointed (either it won't arrive on time or it won't live up to what you imagined it to be). Buy the product for what it is now, and worry about what's coming when it gets here. If you don't like it when it comes, you could still use v2.5 until your license expires." }-

Well aren't you just a buzzkill. I happen to want NOD to release version 3 info. I'm glad not everyone has your attitude.

[JimIT]

-{ Quote: " In the past they've released this kind of information, and people end up hounding them relentlessly, demanding the next bit of information because "it's vital to the decision making process" (among other things, and even when the info was posted with the disclaimer that no other info would be provided). CeBit is a bit different, they're not there every day, and people go there to get what info they can (about every product) and then go home. Personally I don't think I would post that info either (something about not subjecting yourself to things you don't need to)." }-

Nail, meet hammer.

Not to mention stating the "features list" before beta, then finding out a "feature" doesn't work well/at all/causes major issues during/before beta.

Then at release, it's "Where is this nifty 'feature' ESET 'promised' me?!? THEY SAID it would be in there!! I purchased a license with that expectation!!! WAAHH!!" ;D

[iNsuRRecTioN]

-{ Quote: "yeah its true there is no rush, but i just wanted to ask is this a a version 3 picture? because i am using sophos so i dont know.


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http://www.nod32.com/scriptless/products/img/ra3.jpg" }-

Hey,

no. It's that what the window title says :-P (part of 2.5 series..)

best regards,

iNsuRRecTiON

[Notok]

-{ Quote: "Well aren't you just a buzzkill. I happen to want NOD to release version 3 info. I'm glad not everyone has your attitude." }-That wasn't meant to be personal in any way towards anyone or everyone. This has been an issue in this forum for some time, and when you look back at how people have acted, it would simply make sense for them to back off from making mention of upcoming versions. Marcos let slip some suggestion about an approximate release of version 2.5 beta, and the kind of situation I described in my last post was exactly what happened, even despite the disclaimer that he couldn't give any further information or definite dates, and that it was not official.. just a personal mention as a favor, of sorts. Then when it didn't come at the time he approximated, people started in with "But you said!!", sometimes even getting angry.

You can see this was brought up in the past:
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=385766&postcount=5

Regarding not buying things for their upcoming versions, that's from personal experience after learning the hard way. I've had a lot of software that promised great things in the next versions, and either they didn't come, didn't come anywhere near when expected (that's very common in the software world, things happen), or a feature that got me really excited turned out to be less fantastic than I had imagined. As was also previously pointed out in this thread, why would you want to tell your competitors what you're up to? If you do that, they could throw the same thing out there before you get a chance (not uncommon). Even besides that, sometimes there will be planned features that don't make it in to the final product because it turned out to need a lot more work than anticipated, and so they leave it out until they can finish that part without holding up the rest of the product. When it comes down to it, there are just a lot of factors in the software business that can complicate these things more than you might think. That doesn't make them insensitive to their customers, it's just that they have a business to run as well, and the software business can be a very different creature at times.

[tazdevl]

-{ Quote: "As was also previously pointed out in this thread, why would you want to tell your competitors what you're up to? If you do that, they could throw the same thing out there before you get a chance (not uncommon). " }-

FYI, competitors generally can get a hold of a product in either alpha or beta pretty easily... the whole super duper top secret vault concept is more like a leaky sieve. Just the way things work, happened when I worked in software and internet, happens in the medical device industry.

[mrtwolman]

-{ Quote: "No, i meant the word "Triglav". The screenie must be from my country...
Or is out there the same word heh?" }-

You are wrong :)

[RejZoR]

Don't say you have Triglav in Slovakia too:o

[pykko]

Triglav means Triple glowing AV ;D

[imrayly]

i usuarally hope to use the latest version.
but i don't use the trail version

[CyberMew]

It doesn't matter if its coming or not.. as long they hear us and implement those features in the thread located at the top of this forum! :D

Hope their release date is before July because that's when my license expire and maybe I might get another AV (if its better than nod in price and features but probably not lol)

[mrtwolman]

-{ Quote: "Don't say you have Triglav in Slovakia too:o" }-

Yes, we do ;D

[joeydoo]

Hi. I check in here occasionally for news of "updates" (too often it seems).
I haven't posted before, just an observer. And everyone seems nice.
My account runs out at the end of the month and ordinarily would have just renewed it. This year however I think is a bit different. By this time next year Vista will be out, hopefully :dry: , This means a two year licence might be out of the question. Things like "does Vista even need an anti virus" come to mind and if so and I get myself a new computer to run it; will that be as soon as the time my NOD licence runs out. Will that hold me back from upgrading if I have months left on a licence and ESET has no Vista AV. Or even specific dates on a completed AV!
Anyway the point I am beating about the bush about here is that, I want info. I am a customer and it's not unreasonable to see some kind of road map or future update plans. If I am required to lay down long term money. I see very little about what’s happening other than random "what’s up about V3?" etc.etc.threads on here. Many software companies have found it very useful having very long ALPHA, BETA, RC consumer testing pipelines. Even with the Norton.... :gack: products they have a new one every year like clockwork. Some news is all I am asking; some FUTURE product features, changes, platform changes, other than the random "we won another award" email.
Am I asking too much here? The number of UI changes needed or fixes (not bugs, works fine – just desperately needed usability updates) for various things I notice which could be implemented. NOD32 will have to ramp up if they want to be running protection for me in the next year or two. They will really have pull something out of the bag for Vista as they might be obsolete with that locked down kernel and better user privilege control. People like us NOD users tend to be the type of person who doesn't click on stupid things. I think I have only had only 2 or 3 ACTUAL virus warnings in the past year and never had a virus do anything to my systems EVER. In vista, a bit of vigilance and not clicking “yes” in every dialogue box might be all that’s needed.
huh. I was rambling a lot there.
Ah well I’ll do it some more. With NOD32 having no public deadlines for updates (everyone does this when they have no deadline for something) they don’t have something to aim at, knuckle down for, or put themselves in the firing line of criticism with when they miss.

Bottom line: I want Info of where you’re going ESET. And from this thread, It looks like I am not the only one.

Additional: If you’re a regular on this forum, a long timer NOD32ist then it’s natural that it wouldn’t matter to you when there is no V3, or any other, news. It makes no difference to you either way. But I still think you would, in some way, agree with what I have said. Maybe :-\

[snowbound]

I never get jazzed up over such things. Current version is performing well for me so take your time Eset geting it right. ;) ;D


snowbound

[SSK]

-{ Quote: "I never get jazzed up over such things. Current version is performing well for me so take your time Eset geting it right. ;) ;D


snowbound" }-

+1 :thumb:

Almost all companies wait with releasing info untill first beta is released. ESET has not released a beta of V3 as of yet. So, the game is called wait and see :). If you can not find it in yourself to wait, switch to another vendor.

[pykko]

of course we should wait because as soon as they have some info they'll post it here. But first I think the beta. As ESET Mods stated the new version is been "cooked" in the Software Development department, and they are working in other areas: Support, Malware analisys, etc so don't expect from them too much about this issue.

I would have preffer ESET wouldn't have said anything about v.3 because some users simply can't wait :D ....go and play outside some football, basket-ball, play PC games or make something useful. ;)
V.3 will probably have a special forum and when it's ready it will be here. Hundreds of posts about this won't hurry ESET to say some extra info, it will just make some more garbage here on this forum.

That's all I had to say. ;D

[n8chavez]

-{ Quote: "

I would have preffer ESET wouldn't have said anything about v.3 because some users simply can't wait :D ....go and play outside some football, basket-ball, play PC games or make something useful. ;) " }-

Well I have cerebral paulsy, so that imight be kind of hard...better give me v3 instead.

:D

[feverfive]

Well, I'm just a measely home user, and I want to know what's coming up...even though I can afford it, I can't justify buying licenses for multiple AV's, so my buying decision is strongly influenced by a product's feature-set. I'm not gonna cry & say I'll take my ball & go home if Eset doesn't clue us in soon, BUT, if nothing more is known w/in the next 45 days, it'll at least make it hard for me to not switch to something like Kaspersky which has been in public beta for some time........