Best AV/ Internet Security Suite

[goodgameral]

The way I found this place was just searching for Ewido, when I found out you had the official forum for Ewido, I knew you guys were really good; now here's my question, I need to get a new security suite, and am wondering on what to get. I've heard PC-Cillin 06 has way too many pop-ups, ZAPRO messing things up, the usual Norton crap, etc. etc.

Please help me in choosing the best one!
Also, if any of you do run PC-Cillin, does it really have that many pop-ups?

BTW- I don't need spyware protection.

Thanks guys for any help!

[metallicakid15]

Kaspersky Security Suite or you might want to wait until kapsersky releases the actaul internet security

[metallicakid15]

f-secure is also a good internet security but alot of $$$$

[zapjb]

I agree. Go with KIS when final. But imo separate is better.

[goodgameral]

so wait, how much will Kaspersky's cost? Also, I'm thinking of going multi-user with it, like maybe a 3-pack, but maybe not too.

But do any of u kno about PC-Cillin or any of the bigger brands too? Just curious I have a hard enough time leaving Norton just because it's all I've ever used, but I will remember what you guys say.

Thanks,
GGA

[metallicakid15]

not sure if you like mcafee

[goodgameral]

I've had Mcafee under consideration... ButI heard they were a pain to uninstall like Norton... Or that might be AVG...

Any owners of PC-Cillin here? Just curious, I had heard so much good about it last year, so just wondering...

[zapjb]

No. But I use & like Trend Micro Anti-Spyware by the makers of PC-Cillin.

[betauser2]

{QUOTE-> the usual Norton crap, etc. etc. <-QUOTE}

Give Norton Internet Security 2006 (http://www.symantecstore.com/dr/sat1/ec_main.entry25?page=HHO-TrialwareIndex&client=Symantec&sid=49997&CUR=840&DSP=&PGRP=0&ABCODE=&CACHE_ID=0) a try and then tell us what you think, instead of what you heard.

It has a very impressive firewall and is not a resource hog.

betauser2

[JRCATES]

{QUOTE-> I've had Mcafee under consideration... ButI heard they were a pain to uninstall like Norton... Or that might be AVG...

Any owners of PC-Cillin here? Just curious, I had heard so much good about it last year, so just wondering... <-QUOTE}

I USED to have PC-Cillan Internet Security, but switched. Before trying PC-Cillan, I had used Norton ISS.

I purchased and installed Norton, and within the first two weeks I had a major problem. First, on DSL....it took nearly 45 minutes to "update" virus definitions. It would hang, then give me an error message, I'd try again, and get the same result. Finally, after about 45 minutes, it said that the new definitions took. Immediately afterward, my Outlook Express froze up and would not open, no matter what.

So I called my ISP, and we discovered that the problem with my email was on Norton's end. I called Norton customer service, and after waiting on hold for a rep for about 55 minutes, I was told that he could correct the problem, but that it would cost me $30 (incident charge). I told him I had just purchased the Norton product two weeks earlier, and that I shouldn't have to pay for a problem that I incurred as a direct result of their product just two weeks into using it. He placed me on hold, talked to his supervisor, and then came back and said that they would "waive" the fee for this time only. His instructions then resulted in placing two icons on my desktop that I didn't want, as well as my having to click two acknowledgement buttons at startup and shutdown - every time I started and shutdown my computer. Needless to say, I replaced it with PC-Cillan within the next week or so.

Then, shortly after switching.....PC-Cillan caused my system to constantly "reboot". My machine was only a year old, and I had no idea what was causing that. So I took it to a shop in Cincinnati that specializes in computer repair.....they even have a local AM radio show weekly on Saturday afternoons as well, called "Geek Talk", where they discuss computer related issues.

They had my machine for a week, and couldn't figure out what the problem was. They "THOUGHT" they had it fixed, but shortly after bringing it home, the rebooting problem started happening again. The end result was I wound up buying a brand new PC.

The new PC came pre-installed with McAfee ISS. I used the new PC for a couple of weeks, problem free. Since I had a year's subscription for PC-Cillan, where as McAfee was a 90-day free trial only, I uninstalled McAfee and installed the PC-Cillan. Within a matter of just a few hours, the "reboot" problem began on my brand new PC! That's when I put two and two together and realized that PC-Cillan ISS was causing the reboot problem. I uninstalled it, reinstalled McAfee (which I wound up purchasing), and have been problem free for the past 9 or 10 months since.

So in my personal experience....Norton caused problems, PC-Cillan caused problems, but McAfee has not. I haven't tried Kaspersky ISS, although I have heard that it is excellent......but I just wanted to relay my personal experience in this matter for referrence......

[bigc73542]

I have used PccInternet security and the only complaint I had with it is the TMproxy is resource hungry 60/90 megs. and Norton internet security 2005/2006 is a very good suite which runs very light and have had no problems with.

[RejZoR]

BitDefender 9 Pro+ is not bad either. AV is one of the best, firewall is ok and it also has Antispam.

[mnosteele]

Hands down Kaspersky, if you buy the current suite your license will be good to upgrade to the new Kaspersky 2006 suite when it is finally released. The new technologies that are being implemented in this new suite will blow everything else away.

:)

[Firecat]

{QUOTE-> BitDefender 9 Pro+ is not bad either. AV is one of the best, firewall is ok and it also has Antispam. <-QUOTE}
Does BD9 Pro detect spyware? It doesn't seem so from their website......:(

Kaspersky Security Suite is very good, but I find it too costly :(

NOD32 3.0 should also be a very good suite. ;)

[RejZoR]

It does but only the most obvious things. I guess you need Internet Security package for full antispyware protection.

[metallicakid15]

kaspersky security suiteonly 34$ at newegg

[Crappopotamus]

I'd like to like it, but I REALLY don't care for those damned ADS (alternate data streams) that it tacks on everything it touches. If it didn't do that I'd use it exclusively.

[tobacco]

I'm fortunate to be provided F-secure Security Suite free of charge from my ISP on up to 3 computers and have used it the past 2 years.And i will tell you its a monster on not only viruses,but trojans,worms.I downloaded a zip file yesyerday that F-secure warned had a trojan hiding in it.I knew it was harmless unless i opened it, so just delete it right!.Well what do i do?.I decide to give F-secure a little workout and despite its continued warnings, unleash this trojan on my system.Then the warnings start and i sik F-secure after it.It shows up here, then there, then trys to hide in system restore where F-secure finally brings it to its knees.Rebooted and scanned with F-secure, Ewido and Trojan Hunter.No signs of infection.Even compared Hijack This logs before and after, no changes.The main reason i did this is because i'm always hearing so many good things about Kaspersky and have contemplated switching because of it even though F-secure has never let me down.This could of certainly turned out a bad move on my part or as my girlfriend said "Bonehead move", but it proved to me that i'm using the right product and you readers should be aware that there are AV's out there like Kaspersky,F-secure that handle different types of malware really well.

[chia]

{QUOTE-> I'd like to like it, but I REALLY don't care for those damned ADS (alternate data streams) that it tacks on everything it touches. If it didn't do that I'd use it exclusively. <-QUOTE} If you were referring to KAV then the use of ADS has been optional for awhile now. You can choose not to use it during installation.

[Crappopotamus]

{QUOTE-> If you were referring to KAV then the use of ADS has been optional for awhile now. You can choose not to use it during installation. <-QUOTE}

not in either KIS, released or beta though that I've ever found.

Love to know where it can be turned off, most I've see was in the released one asks if you wish to delete the streams on uninstall..

[chia]

I have not tried the betas for the upcoming 2006 version so I wouldn't know how it works there.

In KAV 5 when you install a window comes up with the option to "operate according to recommended settings", uncheck that box, click "Next" then on the next window uncheck "Use iStreams technology". Now your install will be ADS free.

(Where's Don with his pictures? :-\ )

Edit: nm

[BlueZannetti]

{QUOTE-> not in either KIS, released or beta though that I've ever found.

Love to know where it can be turned off, most I've see was in the released one asks if you wish to delete the streams on uninstall.. <-QUOTE}Don't know about the commercial KIS, although if you can do a custom install, it might be there. As for the beta, you won't find anything there since they are not used at all in KAV/KIS version 6.0

Blue

[ardvark]

{QUOTE-> Give Norton Internet Security 2006 (http://www.symantecstore.com/dr/sat1/ec_main.entry25?page=HHO-TrialwareIndex&client=Symantec&sid=49997&CUR=840&DSP=&PGRP=0&ABCODE=&CACHE_ID=0) a try and then tell us what you think, instead of what you heard.

It has a very impressive firewall and is not a resource hog.

betauser2 <-QUOTE}

???

Norton light on resources? Wow, either you have a pretty powerful system or Symantec has indeed started listening to the complaints directed at them. I have a copy NIS 2003 on hand, what are some of the other differences between the two?

Best Regards...

[Crappopotamus]

{QUOTE-> Don't know about the commercial KIS, although if you can do a custom install, it might be there. As for the beta, you won't find anything there since they are not used at all in KAV/KIS version 6.0

Blue <-QUOTE}

not in 6? Something sure scattered them all over every file on my C drive then.. I've not installed any Kaspersky except for the 6 beta. hmmph.

[BlueZannetti]

{QUOTE-> not in 6? <-QUOTE}Nope, see here (http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=8421&hl=istreams#), post #9 from the KAV Version 6.0 Project Manager. He's in the best position to know.

Blue

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> not in 6? Something sure scattered them all over every file on my C drive then.. I've not installed any Kaspersky except for the 6 beta. hmmph. <-QUOTE}


It was any KAV/KIS 6.0 beta. I've run both of these with First Defense and trust me if they were there I'd have known.

One thing that might make them is if you use Icon's in explorer. I know it does leave something. Someone jump in correct if I am wrong.

[Crappopotamus]

{QUOTE-> It was any KAV/KIS 6.0 beta. I've run both of these with First Defense and trust me if they were there I'd have known.

One thing that might make them is if you use Icon's in explorer. I know it does leave something. Someone jump in correct if I am wrong. <-QUOTE}

hmm hmm hmm. even all over my D drive, $KAVICH$ or something almost identical was in the string.

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> hmm hmm hmm. even all over my D drive, $KAVICH$ or something almost identical was in the string. <-QUOTE}

If you ever had 5.0 they may be left overs. Somewhere on the KAV site(somebody might point you better) there is a KLstreamremover.exe You put that in your C:\ directory and run it from a cmd window. Bye bye ads.

Pete

[maddawgz]

PC-Cillan caused my system to constantly "reboot". never in 4yrs have i had that problem i use 2005 suite now and love it..... however im interested in the KAV Suite 2006 coming..... when will it be out.? thanks MD

btw Fsecure suite is like panda Python..lol

[JRCATES]

{QUOTE-> PC-Cillan caused my system to constantly "reboot". never in 4yrs have i had that problem i use 2005 suite now and love it..... <-QUOTE}
I know, it was the damnest thing I'd ever seen. The guys at the local repair shop were just as baffled as I was when I called them and told them what was causing the problem afterward. I even contacted Trend Micro's customer service, and they were very helpful in trying to resolve the issue. I submitted everything that they asked for via email after our phone conversation, but I never received a definitive reply what was causing it. I had downloaded the '05 ISS version from a CD purchased at a retailer, not from an on-line download, so there may have been some corrupt file or something on the CD version that I had....but whatever it was, it was freaky, that's for sure.

I'm not claiming that this should be expected behaviour either....because the reason I tried it was because I had heard good things about it. I'm sure it works well for others, I was just relaying the personal experience that I had.....

[Firecat]

BullGuard Internet Security (http://www.bullguard.com) is also a very good security suite. Its AV uses a full-featured BitDefender engine (HIVE also included) and the firewall is powered by Sygate Pro. AntiSpam seems to be done in-house however. You also get online backup from 1000MB to 3000MB.

And best of all, one license of BullGuard covers 3 computers.

[Don Pelotas]

{QUOTE-> hmm hmm hmm. even all over my D drive, $KAVICH$ or something almost identical was in the string. <-QUOTE}
Then you have had 5.0 installed with default settings, 6.0 does not use ADS, it uses a central database, you can use Adsspy (http://castlecops.com/zx/Merijn/adsspy.zip) to remove them.:)

[metallicakid15]

{QUOTE-> BullGuard Internet Security (http://www.bullguard.com) is also a very good security suite. Its AV uses a full-featured BitDefender engine (HIVE also included) and the firewall is powered by Sygate Pro. AntiSpam seems to be done in-house however. You also get online backup from 1000MB to 3000MB.

And best of all, one license of BullGuard covers 3 computers. <-QUOTE}

bullguard is a question since it has some connection with kazza = spyware

[Osaban]

{QUOTE-> Then you have had 5.0 installed with default settings, 6.0 does not use ADS, it uses a central database, you can use Adsspy (http://castlecops.com/zx/Merijn/adsspy.zip) to remove them.:) <-QUOTE}

Hi,

I ran out of curiosity the Merijn - ADSSpy, as I used to have a version of KAV 5.0. It found 16 entries with KAVICH and when I tried to remove them the program replied it couldn't as they might be locked by another program.

What should I do? Just leave them or try to unlocked them? Thanks

[Don Pelotas]

{QUOTE-> Hi,

I ran out of curiosity the Merijn - ADSSpy, as I used to have a version of KAV 5.0. It found 16 entries with KAVICH and when I tried to remove them the program replied it couldn't as they might be locked by another program.

What should I do? Just leave them or try to unlocked them? Thanks <-QUOTE}
Yes, i remember you. :) I would just leave them because of the small number of them, when Kav is not active they are just non-active files like any other. You use Nod correct?, it is also capable of scanning ADS as far as i remember.

[Brian N]

{QUOTE-> You use Nod correct?, it is also capable of scanning ADS as far as i remember. <-QUOTE}
Correct ;)

[Mele20]

I doubt you just have 16 Kavich files. That is just all ADSSPy found. It is not very good for finding these. You should run the KAV cleaner. But if you have an nVidia card then beware unless Kaspersky fixed the problem. Their cleaner ate my nVidia driver.

As for which Suite is the best, you should try KAV and Bit Defender. KIS 2006 beta slowed my very powerful computer to a crawl. My internet speed was cut to ONE THIRD what is normal. Bit Defender has no effect on my computer or my internet speed. So, that is the one I went with. I would have gone with KIS but it doesn't work well on my computer and with my ISP. It is crazy to spend money on a fast internet connection only to have KIS take it away from you. But some don't mind and some are not nearly as badly affected as I was. So, you need to test them to decide which you want.

[Osaban]

{QUOTE-> Yes, i remember you. :) I would just leave them because of the small number of them, when Kav is not active they are just non-active files like any other. You use Nod correct?, it is also capable of scanning ADS as far as i remember. <-QUOTE}

Hi Don,

I suspected you have a formidable memory! I take your word for it and as I said I can't complain about anything so I won't worry about it.

Mele20,

thank you for your input but cleaners, like you said they may do more damage than good, so in my situation I'll give it a miss.

[bigc73542]

started useing F-Secure Internet Security 2006 a few days ago and was really surprised at how light it actually runs. The scan speed on an on demand scan is not the fastest I have used but still acceptable. It does use four different scan engines, (see screen shot) so far it seems to be an improvement over earlier versions as to resource use. After another week or so I will have a better idea of how well it behaves. But so far so good. ;)

[tobacco]

bigc

Just curious about F-secure or shopping for a new AV?.Weren't you using Norton?.

[bigc73542]

I usually install and test about ten av's a month, this time it is F-Secure IS 2006;)

[Ga1tar]

Let us know whether this version is kinder on resources unlike previous efforts, as the last time i used it, after a few updates i had to remove it as it was so greedy.

[bigc73542]

{QUOTE-> Let us know whether this version is kinder on resources unlike previous efforts, as the last time i used it, after a few updates i had to remove it as it was so greedy. <-QUOTE}


Will do, so far it is not useing much in the way of resources. But I will post any changes. The only thing I don't like about it is slow boot up but I can live with it so far.

[Ga1tar]

That was an issue I had at the time so no improvement there it seems, one other tip springs to mind, which is, try not too miss an update as it throws a cosmic fit. At least on my machine it did reducing everything to a snails pace until it was ready, worse than downloading a 285mb update using dial-up.

[Baldrick]

Hi there

I find it hard to understand why no one is recommending Zone Alarm Security Suite. Whilst it has had some problems early on the current incarnation is stable, or certainly as stable as any other of the key players producing complex suites of this nature. I have been running it for some 3 months now with absolutely no issues what so ever (having droppped NIS 2006 because of all the issues introduced by an update and not being resolved).

I would therefore suggest that you try the 14 day trial and see how it goes. In terms of the previous comment about the upcoming Kaspersky Internet Suite as having "...new technologies that are being implemented in this new suite will blow everything else away" well I have read the new Technologies .PDF available on the Kaspersky IS Beta site and to be honest most of what they present has already been implemented in the current version of Zone Alarm Security Suite. I am not saying that ZASS is better....there are many suites out there and some work better than others for some people....but worth a look especially as yo can buy it cheap from Amazon and the yearly subscription (after the first year has run out) is amongst the lowest.

Anyway, this is my opinion....for what it is worth.

Good luck in your quest. Remember, try before you buy!



Baldrick;D

[The Hammer]

{QUOTE-> Hi there

I find it hard to understand why no one is recommending Zone Alarm Security Suite. Whilst it has had some problems early on the current incarnation is stable, or certainly as stable as any other of the key players producing complex suites of this nature. I have been running it for some 3 months now with absolutely no issues what so ever (having droppped NIS 2006 because of all the issues introduced by an update and not being resolved).

I would therefore suggest that you try the 14 day trial and see how it goes. In terms of the previous comment about the upcoming Kaspersky Internet Suite as having "...new technologies that are being implemented in this new suite will blow everything else away" well I have read the new Technologies .PDF available on the Kaspersky IS Beta site and to be honest most of what they present has already been implemented in the current version of Zone Alarm Security Suite. I am not saying that ZASS is better....there are many suites out there and some work better than others for some people....but worth a look especially as yo can buy it cheap from Amazon and the yearly subscription (after the first year has run out) is amongst the lowest.

Anyway, this is my opinion....for what it is worth.

Good luck in your quest. Remember, try before you buy!



Baldrick;D <-QUOTE}The two most important components of a suite are the AV and the firewall. Most people probably wish that the ZoneAlarm suites AV (Computer Associates) was stronger or more highly regarded and thats why they're looking elsewhere.

[Baldrick]

Hi Hammer

I think that most people may be mis-informed about the CA-sourced antivirus element of ZASS....I certainly was. If you check out the Virus Bulletin site you will find that they have consistently award the CA antivirus program their VB100% award showing that it is on a par with the other 'big hitters'. Using the version within ZASS you usually get daily signature updates and the scanning speed is pretty good.

As I said before I was ignorant of how good this component is....but now I am not. Also, if you check some of the review, ie, PCMagazine, etc., you will also find them saying that the antivirus componenet is good/certainly up with the NAVs & McAfees of this world.

Anyway, as I said.....try it an see, then make your choice.

Regards



Balderick

[tobacco]

From what i've heard, zonealarm does well with viruses but is getting killed by trojans.And i tried the pro firewall for a few days and found it buggy.Had to keep re-enabling a few things every time i connected to the web.Plus zonealarm denied for 2 months that its firewall was secretly phoning home.They finally said it had to be a "bug".

[Baldrick]

Did not want to start a polemic on this point. ZASS works great for me (no re-enabling require, rock steady, light on resource, etc.) and that is why I would recommend it to the originator of this thread.....at least as a trial.

In terms of the "phone home" issue I think that it is a non existant issue as Zone Alram clearly advise that their Smart Defense Advisor function does this to allow ZASS users to benefit from the user community's collective wisdom.

The problem with these sorts of threads is that they go off topic so quickly with 'championing' taking the place of fact.

There are lots of good products out there and that is why I would suggest a trial of those that appear to match the basic requirements of the person looking to purchase.::)

[Kerodo]

The ZA Suite is good, and I'd also suggest the BitDefender Suite as well. ZA having the stronger firewall and BD having the stronger AV. Both are good though. These 'suites' do use a hefty amount of ram typically, but that's the price you pay for all the coverage.

[tobacco]

Baldrick

Then forget about the phone home thing.But there is a reason why it doesn't get talked about much.And that is frankly, its AV isn't performing as well as some of the others.Which means, the others get recommended.Don't know how else to put it!.

[metallicakid15]

ya za iss is too expensive you might just want to purchase kaspersky security suite, or wait for the internet security. or even get bitdefender internet security.


or if you dont want to waist to much $$ get avast free + kerio pro(14.99)+ spysweeper(24.99) is just like a internet secuirty suite

[maddawgz]

KIS made my pc crawl.. that's dissapointing..i was going to try it from TMI,,but i might just stick to TMI 2006 upgrade to that :-\ Whats bitdefender internet security like cpu ? thanks md

[NAMOR]

{QUOTE-> KIS made my pc crawl.. that's dissapointing..i was going to try it from TMI,,but i might just stick to TMI 2006 upgrade to that :-\ Whats bitdefender internet security like cpu ? thanks md <-QUOTE}


Bitdefender is pretty good CPU and memory wise. The realtime scanner didn't slow down my computer at all. The manual scan a pretty long though. On a final note, the Firewall was really awkward IMHO.

[Crappopotamus]

{QUOTE-> Then you have had 5.0 installed with default settings, 6.0 does not use ADS, it uses a central database, you can use Adsspy (http://castlecops.com/zx/Merijn/adsspy.zip) to remove them.:) <-QUOTE}


How did 5 get on my system with the filename download of kis6*.msi ?

Never dl'd 5 nor installed anything kaspersky except for the above filename.

This is on a 1 wk old install of xp pro sp2. Pretty barebones setup program-wise so far.

[bigc73542]

{QUOTE-> Will do, so far it is not useing much in the way of resources. But I will post any changes. The only thing I don't like about it is slow boot up but I can live with it so far. <-QUOTE}


Well i gave F-secure IS 2006 a pretty good testing and have come to the conclusion that it doesn't use a lot of actual comp resources but It boots very slow and even with custom settings exempting quite a bit of files to scan the on demand scan is extremely slow. You might have slightly different results but I have removed it and reinstalled NIS 2005 again.

[Don Pelotas]

{QUOTE-> How did 5 get on my system with the filename download of kis6*.msi ?

Never dl'd 5 nor installed anything kaspersky except for the above filename.

This is on a 1 wk old install of xp pro sp2. Pretty barebones setup program-wise so far. <-QUOTE}
Only you can answer that, but from using all the Kaspersky 6.0 beta's i can tell you that it doesn't use. ADS.:)

[q1aqza]

{QUOTE-> KIS made my pc crawl.. that's dissapointing..i was going to try it from TMI,,but i might just stick to TMI 2006 upgrade to that :-\ Whats bitdefender internet security like cpu ? thanks md <-QUOTE}

Which version are you using? I found Release candiate 1 almost unusable but the latest release candidate 5 is running sweet and very light.

[goodgameral]

Well, I'm thinking of going to Kaspersky now, but also F-Secure and and McAfee look good...
Should I just go by reviews by the unexperienced general users on newegg.com? :D

or should i go by price, and resource hogging... :D

BTW- NIS 2006 is not good. It waits till after the trojan infects ur comp to tell ya that its infected. Then you hve to do a lengthy scan where it won't always show up. (happened b4 at cousin's house just this weekend)

Also, does anyone kno which is the most of a resource hog?

[fosius]

Eset has announced that they will introduce Eset Security Suite (including new generation of NOD32 antivirus - version 3.0, anti-spyware, personal firewall and anti-spam control) on CeBIT.

[maddawgz]

would u say trend suite or bitdefender?? why is firewall awkward? thanks MD

[Sputnik]

{QUOTE-> would u say trend suite or bitdefender?? why is firewall awkward? thanks MD <-QUOTE}
As a suite I would choose Trend Micro, their suite is more complete and polished out.

[dread]

I say mcafee. I get the mcafee internet security suite every year. I have been a mcafee man for a long time. Mcafee is one of the best antivirus programs you can get. What I love about the security suite is spamkiller. It checks hotmail accounts and works with other email clients besides oe or outlook. Not many antispam products out that will filter hotmail accounts plus work with other email clients besides oe or outlook. The ones I have seen that will filter hotmail accounts requires oe or outlook. Well you get it all with spamkiller, hotmail filtering without the requirements of having to use oe or outlook. I use thunderbird. The firewall is good. It fully allows the app when you tell it to let the app access the internet. Have seen other firewalls like zonealarm, norton and the trend firewall after you tell them to allow the app the app still has problems and is not fully allowed. My first experience with this happened with zonealarm. I was trying to run a ftp server and couldn't. Fount the reason why, it was zonealarm. I had to open port 21 on zonealarm for the server to work correctly even though I gave it server rights. Seen problems like that from all the programs I mentioned. Remote assistance is another problem program for them firewalls. Have seen other programs don't remember them all lol that had problems with the firewalls I mentioned. You do not have that problem with the mcafee firewall. If you tell the mcafee firewall to give it full access to the internet it actually gives full access and you have no problems. What I do not like in the mcafee internet security suite is the stupid privacy service. I do not install it and do not use it anymore. Cant beat top of the line av, one of the best antispam products and one of the best firewalls for 20-30 dollars after rebate lol.

[bigc73542]

{QUOTE-> Well i gave F-secure IS 2006 a pretty good testing and have come to the conclusion that it doesn't use a lot of actual comp resources but It boots very slow and even with custom settings exempting quite a bit of files to scan the on demand scan is extremely slow. You might have slightly different results but I have removed it and reinstalled NIS 2005 again. <-QUOTE}

Well I will have to eat my words here. I reinstalled F-Secure Internet Security Suite and found that it was another program I had Installed a while back and forgot about that was causing the slow startup and slow scan.. I deleted the other old program and now the F-Secure Internet Security Suite is just humming right along. It uses about 10% more resources than Kaspersky 5.0.390 but F-Secure has a lot more running so it actually is very light for a suite.

curt

[tobacco]

Well bigc, you sound a bit surprised and yes, F-secure Security Suite offers alot besides great protection evidenced by the latest tests results.In fact, it's system control even guards the registry which is why i think i've experienced lockups after installing Prevx 1 and Cyberhawk.Could you try installing some of these products to see if the results are the same.F-secure does alert,stop and give me the choice of block or allow any registry changes.Thanks.

[tobacco]

Okay bigc, i love norton.Will you respond now!.

[Howard Kaikow]

{QUOTE-> I've had Mcafee under consideration... ButI heard they were a pain to uninstall like Norton... Or that might be AVG...

Any owners of PC-Cillin here? Just curious, I had heard so much good about it last year, so just wondering... <-QUOTE}

McAfee AV is dangerous.
When you do a scan, it silently deltets things (does not offer an option for user response). Folkes get burnt by false positives.

A number of complaints can be found in the McAfee forums.


By itself, I'd say this is a show stopper.

I purchased McAfee recently, 0$ after rebates, to install on other than the main system on a multiboot PC. I do not use it for scans, for that I have NAV on the other systems on the PC.

[JRCATES]

{QUOTE-> McAfee AV is dangerous.
When you do a scan, it silently deltets things (does not offer an option for user response). Folkes get burnt by false positives.

A number of complaints can be found in the McAfee forums.


By itself, I'd say this is a show stopper.

I purchased McAfee recently, 0$ after rebates, to install on other than the main system on a multiboot PC. I do not use it for scans, for that I have NAV on the other systems on the PC. <-QUOTE}
Wow, Howard...why don't you just go ahead and call IBK and the folks at AV-Comparatives fools while you're at it. ::) Boy, I've seen some pretty harsh comments before, but this one borders on slander! McAfee has received Advanced+ ratings from AV-Comparatives and other independent reviewers on a consistent basis over a long period of time now. It has NEVER "silently deleted anything" for me, and DOES offer an option for user response to what it finds during a scan.

To say that you don't like it is one thing...but to call it "dangerous" seems more than a bit extreme....

[flyrfan111]

McAfee does have great detection, most of the problems related to them and Symantec are not detection related. While I personally don't like or recommend McAfee, I would not call them "dangerous" either.

[Howard Kaikow]

{QUOTE-> Wow, Howard...why don't you just go ahead and call IBK and the folks at AV-Comparatives fools while you're at it. ::) Boy, I've seen some pretty harsh comments before, but this one borders on slander! McAfee has received Advanced+ ratings from AV-Comparatives and other independent reviewers on a consistent basis over a long period of time now. It has NEVER "silently deleted anything" for me, and DOES offer an option for user response to what it finds during a scan.

To say that you don't like it is one thing...but to call it "dangerous" seems more than a bit extreme.... <-QUOTE}

Go read the McAfee forums and you will see recent examples of folkes having files silently deleted.

I have posted similar comments in the McAfee forums and McAfee has not denied them.

[JRCATES]

{QUOTE-> Go read the McAfee forums and you will see recent examples of folkes having files silently deleted.

I have posted similar comments in the McAfee forums and McAfee has not denied them. <-QUOTE}
I'd be surprised if they even READ them :P

McAfee's user forums are actually pretty bad - one of the worst for such a well-known and established product, IMHO. I believe the moderators are volunteers (unpaid, if I'm not mistaken), not associated with the company, and are just more experienced McAfee users. I've seen several questions and threads there that people have started where they didn't even receive a single reply or answer. I don't know that I would base McAfee's effectiveness as a product off of their user forum response (or lack there of), though....although I do agree that it doesn't help their overall company image or reputation very much at all.

[Howard Kaikow]

{QUOTE-> I'd be surprised if they even READ them :P

McAfee's user forums are actually pretty bad - one of the worst for such a well-known and established product, IMHO. I believe the moderators are volunteers (unpaid, if I'm not mistaken), not associated with the company, and are just more experienced McAfee users. I've seen several questions and threads there that people have started where they didn't even receive a single reply or answer. I don't know that I would base McAfee's effectiveness as a product off of their user forum response (or lack there of), though....although I do agree that it doesn't help their overall company image or reputation very much at all. <-QUOTE}

I neve rused McAfee forums until a few months ago.
I believe that some of th moderators are McAfee employees.


If you check, yo u will find examples of VS 10 screwing users by silently deleting files due to "automatic cleaning" in response to a false positive.
In at least one case, a URL was posted with a link to something that VS 10 will silently delete even tho a false positive.

NO AV software is immune from false positives and VS 10 is dangerous because it gives the user no option to specify what is done in that circumstance.

I dislike Symantec, but NAV has had such options for years,

[Howard Kaikow]

Take a look here

http://forums.mcafeehelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=73038&highlight=

[bigc73542]

{QUOTE-> Okay bigc, i love norton.Will you respond now!. <-QUOTE}


I know it hurt for you to say that so I will respond ;D . I did have to remove prevex1 to get f-secure to run smoothly. But I have already removed F-secure again and am now trying the new version of Kav5.0.522 I don't like the updater as well as in the latest version but it does work albeit a lot slower. But at least it is every hour.

[bigc73542]

{QUOTE-> I know it hurt for you to say that so I will respond ;D . I did have to remove prevex1 to get f-secure to run smoothly. But I have already removed F-secure again and am now trying the new version of Kav5.0.522 I don't like the updater as well as in the latest version but it does work albeit a lot slower. But at least it is every hour. <-QUOTE}


One more update, didn't like the new version of Kav5 so I reinstalled Nis 2005 again. I liiiiiiike it.

[Benvan45]

{QUOTE-> One more update, didn't like the new version of Kav5 so I reinstalled Nis 2005 again. I liiiiiiike it. <-QUOTE}

It must be confusing, updating to another release of Kav 5.0 and finding out it is running like s...
I have read this too many times now and I think it's ridiculous for a product, so near launching a completely new 6.0, to spread an upgrade with so many complaints.
I have tried the latest Kav 5.0.522 as well and didn't like it at all.

And good for you......you like Nis2005!!!!! Glad to hear it!