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spy1
June 17th, 2003, 03:22 PM
From this article: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1126743,00.asp


By Dennis Fisher

"Security researchers believe they have identified a new breed of Trojan horse that is infecting machines on the Internet, possibly in preparation for a larger coordinated attack.
However, experts have been unable to pin down many of the details of the program's behavior and are unsure how many machines might be compromised by the Trojan.

The program scans random IP addresses and sends a probe in the form of a TCP SYN request with a window size that is always 55808. Infected hosts listen promiscuously for packets with certain identifying characteristics, including that specific window size. Experts believe that other fields within the packet's header probably give the infected host information on the IP address of the controlling host and what port to contact the host on.


The Trojan is also capable of spoofing the source IP addresses for the packets it sends, making it much more difficult for researchers to track infected hosts. The program appears to scan IP addresses at a rate that enables it to scan about 90 percent of the IP addresses on the Internet in 24 hours, according to officials at Lancope Inc., an Atlanta-based security vendor. The company has seen the new Trojan on its own honeynet and has also observed it on the network at a university.

The company said it was alerted to the existence of the Trojan by an employee at a defense contractor and later notified both the FBI and the CERT Coordination Center. A spokesman for the FBI confirmed that the bureau was aware of the issue, but said there was little it could do unless there's an incident.

"Until something happens, the FBI is on the sidelines on this one," said Bill Murray, spokesman for the FBI in Washington. "There's not really anything to investigate."

Unlike typical Trojans, the new program does not have a controller e-mail address written into the source code. "

Is this thing for real? Pete

spy1
June 17th, 2003, 03:53 PM
If it is real - what do you look for in your firewall logs to show its' existence and attempts? Pete

Dan Perez
June 17th, 2003, 03:58 PM
Hey spy1,

There have been numerous posts on the Security Focus "Incidents" listserv but I haven't had time to really read through them.

Anyone wanting to go over them, the original post/thread was

"Help with an odd log file..."

which subsequently diverged into an additional thread

"Spoofed TCP SYNs w/Winsize 55808 (was: Help with an odd log file...)"

Either way, if you go to

http://www.securityfocus.com/search

and search the site for

Help with an odd log file

you will see all the posts in both threads

I haven't yet seen any analyses at incidents.org or NIPC

Dan Perez
June 17th, 2003, 04:02 PM
Spy1,

regarding detection/logging. I don't know if it would be detectable unless you have an IDS on your periphery (or possibly ngrep?). Still trying to catch up on the thread. :)

spy1
June 17th, 2003, 04:03 PM
Thank you, sir! Pete

*Last time I checked my periphery, I was completely IDS'less! And, the last time I tried to grep something, things got ugly! :o Pete

Dan Perez
June 17th, 2003, 04:25 PM
If you have a host firewall you can use ngrep (it originated on *nix but has been ported to Win32. I am running it (now :) )on my OpenBSD Firewall host with the following commandline

ngrep -x -X -s 1514 DA00

(the latter argument is "55808" in hex but the only thing that has popped up thus far is return HTTP traffic from various web queries :) (Hmm.. this posting and all subsequent posts will trigger it as well :o , I will have to rerun the command, setting an ignore of port 80 packets...

spy1
June 17th, 2003, 06:09 PM
I got all that right up to the first "(" :o Pete

Mr.Blaze
June 17th, 2003, 06:18 PM
:D lol i think i been hanging around you guys to much i got the jest of this topic lol

normaly to hightech for me but from what i gather its a real nasty that is imposiable to detect by normal means or behavior

it dont fit the typical trojan profile so it most likely can easly slip threw firewalls threw ports

and infected machines behave normaly


so i gather thers a darker purpose behind this more like a control effort by some group

just waiting for the right time to attack type thing"

was that the jest of it?

or am i way off

Dan Perez
June 17th, 2003, 06:25 PM
You got it!

Congratulations!!!

You have graduated from the Wilders Security Academy.

(and it didn't even cost $800)

Mr.Blaze
June 18th, 2003, 12:16 AM
;Dyeahhpiiiiiiiii I'm no longer a intermediate newb i have reached advance newb lol

LowWaterMark
June 18th, 2003, 12:24 AM
:: scratching head ::

So, what's higher than "Major Senior Newbie"? :-\

"Colonel Senior Newbie"?

;D

Mr.Blaze
June 18th, 2003, 12:25 AM
;Dlol i love this place top notch security and great people

spy1
June 20th, 2003, 03:16 PM
http://www.intrusec.com/55808.html

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/31341.html

Pieter_Arntz
June 20th, 2003, 03:24 PM
Hi Pete,

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=10520

Regards,

Pieter

Pieter_Arntz
June 20th, 2003, 05:54 PM
Also about this one:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/06/20/HNstumbler_1.html

Regards,

Pieter

spy1
June 23rd, 2003, 01:19 PM
Slight update: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-1019759.html Pete